Your disappointment is not for me to argue over

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I happened to found this sentence on the internet.
"Your disappointment is not for me to argue over."
<my interpretation> "Your disappointment is not that I have to argue over it"

I'd like to check with you whether or not my interpretation is right.
Thank you in advance for your help.

CalifJim · Accepted Answer

park sang joonI happened to found this sentence on the internet."Your disappointment is not for me to argue over."

And what a bizarre sentence it is, at least without further context.

"not for me to ..." ~ not something that I have any right (or authority) to ...

It is not for me to ... is also expressed as It is not my place to ....
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"argue over" is unusual here. It suggests making a comment on or making a judgment on (something).

Thus, the closest interpretation I can come up with is:

It is not my place to judge (the reason for) your disappointment.

CJ

Park sang joon · Answer

Thank you, Mr.Jim, for your precise and elaborate answer

And what a bizarre sentence it is, at least without further context.

I'm so sorry.

It is not for me to ... is also expressed as It is not my place to ....

I'd like to know whether we can use 'That is not for me to ....' for 'It is not for me to ... '

Its source looks like a Naruto(Japanese Manga) forum.
Below is the full texts, but I don't think you have to see those anymore.
Just for reference.

Originally Posted by Gogeta View Post
Also, i agree that Naruto's feats against Kaguya were more impressive than Sasuke's. But, there are few moments (didn't bother enough to find them all) where without Sasuke, it would've been all for naught.
Also, after the fight Sasuke said that he had been getting accustomed to his left eye, so he wasn't at full power when they fought Kaguya.
And this is the long "known" final fight of the manga. I don't care if it's filler to you and that you find no importance, i can be disappointed that it didn't deliver in what should be the biggest and most epic fight.

http://www.narutoforums.com/member.php?u=183274 :

Pointless line of arguments. The fight would have been for naught without Sakura, so what?
Unless backed by feats, such statements mean nothing. Besides, as if Naruto was at full power before?
Your disappointment is not for me to argue over.

I'd like to ask you one more thing; I'm so sorry for badgering you.
It's not for me to say why he left.
<Source: "for" #20 in Oxford Learner's Dictionaries http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionarie.../english/for_1>
I'd like to know whether 'it' is dummy or 'it' indicates "why he left."

CalifJim · Answer

park sang joonAnd what a bizarre sentence it is, at least without further context.I'm so sorry.

It's not your sentence, so why be sorry?

park sang joonI'd like to know whether we can use 'That is not for me to ....' for 'It is not for me to ... '

You can.

park sang joonIt's not for me to say why he left. ... I'd like to know whether 'it' is dummy or 'it' indicates "why he left."

Both descriptions describe the same thing (except that I would include "to say").

'it' is dummy it = 'it' indicates 'to say why he left'.

That is, if 'it' indicates 'to say why he left', then 'it' is called dummy 'it'.

To say why he left is not for me. (not grammatical, but the same meaning)
It's not for me to say why he left. (after the obligatory change of structure)

Likewise,

It is important that you leave immediately.

'it' indicates 'that you leave immediately. Therefore, this 'it' is dummy 'it'.

CJ

Park sang joon · Answer

Thank you, Mr,Jim, for your continuing to answer.

It's not your sentence, so why be sorry?

But It is I who have posted those confused sentence .

That is, if 'it' indicates 'to say why he left', then 'it' is called dummy 'it'.

I didn't know; I thought dummy 'it' indicates 'it'' which doesn't have any role.

To say why he left is not for me. (not grammatical, but the same meaning)

This account is very helpful to me.

CalifJim · Answer

park sang joonTo say why he left is not for me. (not grammatical, but the same meaning)This account is very helpful to me.

My mistake. I should have said that it's grammatical (but not very idiomatic), and it lacks the same meaning because the idiom "It's not for me to ..." is missing when the words are ordered like this.

park sang joonI thought dummy 'it' indicates 'it'' which doesn't have any role.

That's another kind of dummy 'it', as in "It's raining". The dummy 'it' that we've been talking about is the result of "postposing the subject". Sometimes this one is called "preparatory it" or "anticipatory it".

The 'it' that is not a dummy 'it' is referential 'it'. That's a pronoun that has an antecedent.

Laura bought a new dress, and she really likes it. (it refers to the previously mentioned dress.)

CJ

Park sang joon · Answer

Thank you, Mr.Jim, for your continuing to answer.

I should have said that it's grammatical (but not very idiomatic), and it lacks the same meaning because the idiom "It's not for me to ..." is missing when the words are ordered like this.

Then, what meaning do you think "To say why he left is not for me" might have?
Even though it is useless, I'm very curious of that.

I think It's time you went to bed, if so, I'm so sorry

CalifJim · Answer

park sang joonwhat meaning do you think "To say why he left is not for me" might have?

No meaning. It's hopelessly twisted. At a bare minimum the infinitive has to go after the for phrase.

Why he left is not for me to say. ~ It's not for me to say why he left.

Now those have the same meaning, which we discussed above.

CJ

Park sang joon · Answer

Thank you, Mr.Jim, for your precise answer.
I think you get up very early.

Your disappointment is not for me to argue over

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