Won't be (have been) here

It's possible I guess, but it feels somewhat strained to me. (It doesn't mean the same thing, of course.)

Mr Wordy (It doesn't mean the same thing, of course.)

What would it mean then?

The first one would mean that for example by 5 p.m. tomorrow, I'll leave, so I won't be here.

I guess the 2nd one would mean that by 5 p.m. tomorrow I won't have been there for some time, say, 6 hours. However there is no "for".

Thanks

Let's say the time in question is 5 pm.

"By that time tomorrow, I won't be here." = I won't be here at 5 pm; I will have left some time earlier.

"By that time tomorrow, I won't have been here." (a bit strained) = I will not be here at any time during an unspecified period of time leading up to 5 pm.

Thanks Mr Wordy!

Mr Wordy(a bit strained)

Gosh! I think so. I was not able to assign any meaning to it. It sounds downright impossible to me.

I'm here now, so there's no way that in the future I won't have been here unless I perversely deny the fact that I'm here now as I say it.

It seems to me that I can always say of myself that I will have been

Let's say I've borrowed a book of yours and you'd like me to return it so you can give it to someone else.

We are trying to arrange a time for me to give it back to you, because we both have busy schedules.

We find out that we both have appointments with the same hair stylist.

You say "Oh, when you go, maybe you can leave it with Dawn. Then I can pick it at my appoint

CalifJimIt seems to me that I can always say of myself that I will have been here. No?

In this case, I don't understand "won't have been here" to mean "ever, for all of time". That wouldn't make any sense. Instead, it's restricted to some relevant period leading up to the time in question.

OK. I'll work on it.

CJ

Grammar Geek By 2, I won't (yet) have been there so you still won't be able to get it."Strained yes, but possible.

Isn't it better to say: By 2, I won't be there so you won't be able to get it.

I didn't think we were talking about "better." I though we were talking about "possible."

And not really -- we never planned to be there at the same time. I won't have been there yet, not I won't be there.