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Javaxjava Posted 21 years ago
Grammar

Without and with no...

What is the difference between using "without" and "with no"?
In the US, I see people asking in McDonald's like "Burger with no meat..."
The other day I asked like "Burger without meat..." and McDonald's man got confused...
Later I had to explain him to remove the meat in the burger.

Please explain me on this...

Aravind
  

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Hello I got interested in your question and tried to find their difference by reading dictionaries. But as far as I got, there seems no difference between them. OED gives to 'without X' an definition 'with the absence of X' and Webster 'with no X'.

  • Hello I got interested in your question and tried to find their difference by reading dictionaries.
  • But as far as I got, there seems no difference between them.
  • OED gives to 'without X' an definition 'with the absence of X' and Webster 'with no X'.
  • If you google, you will get results as follows: burger(s) with no meat ......
  • 98 hits burger(s) without meat ....
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Hello

I got interested in your question and tried to find their difference by reading dictionaries. But as far as I got, there seems no difference between them.

OED gives to 'without X' an definition 'with the absence of X' and Webster 'with no X'.

If you google, you will get results as follows:
burger(s) with no meat ...... 98 hits
burger(s) wit
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Hi Paco,
You mean to say that "burger(s) without meat" is more frequently used as you got around 733 hits. But why if I ask like "burger without meat" they (at McDonald's) get confused? I tried this in nearly 8 McDonald's restaurants across Massachusetts and New Hampshire states.
At every restaurant, they just stared at me and later I had to explain them. I didn't want to confuse them.
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At every restaurant, they just stared at me and later I had to explain them. I didn't want to confuse them. But I was just curious as to how people understand and answer for "without". My study shows none understands. Maybe they are accustomed to using "with no". Am I right?
Please answer me in this regard...


Haha... that's quite funny, no your sentence is n
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In BrE, (beef)burger often applies to the meat patty alone. 'Burger' is used for 'bun + patty', but can also be understood as 'meat patty'.

So I'm not sure 'burger with no meat' or 'burger without meat' would be understood over here either: the mere mention of 'meat' makes me default to 'burger = patty'.

To make the leap from 'burger without/with no meat' to 'veggie patty' pr
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I am laughing out loud. What is a 'burger with no meat?' Maybe it refers to a vegetarian burger of some type? Maybe it means, "Please give me a bun with lettuce, tomatoes, etc. (but no meat)? I've heard of ordering a 'burger with no bread' but never a 'burger with no meat.' Perhaps I am showing my lack of sophistication here?
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I guess if I order a "burger with no meat" I am not ordering a "burger" after all. I am ordering a sandwich with no meat. On the other hand, if I went into McDonalds and asked for a "sandwich with no meat" they might not know what I was talking about.
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0Well, 01b00javaxjava02b02br
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00I guess what’s really happening every time you ask for a “burger without meat” is this:02br
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00The guys there do NOT misunderstand what you order, but they go ahead and serve a burger with meat just in case there is a misunderstanding. After all, the last thing they want is someone to approach and
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0Hahaha…Couldn’t help it but to drop in my 2 cents…02br
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00I think this topic has amused a few bystanders. For those who live in the US, in would seem strange if you were behind the McDonald ordering counter that someone would order “a burger without meat”. It’s like going to I-HOPS on a Sunday morning, telling your waitress that you want your eggs scrambled without the y
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0The word “burger is so strongly associated with “meat” that it’s hard for the McDonald counter guys to tell them apart. In fact, a burger is a sandwich with or without meat. It is not a short form of hamburger or beef burger. That’s why people can ask for, say a cheeseburger.02br
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00In the States there is in fact a “meatless burger”. Only problem is, the McDonald cou
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0 javaxjava,02br
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00 It is not the grammar that is confusing people. (01i00with no02i00 and 01i00without02i00 are the same.) It is the other word choices that are confusing. It is impossible to understand what you are ordering when you order 01i00a burger without meat02i00. Part of the definition

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