With or without the definite artcile?

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[nq:1]The terrorist organization IRA fought for overthrowing British control in the Northern Ireland. Should there be the definite article before Northern Ireland or not?[/nq]
Only if the definite article is normally part of the jurisdiction's name, which in this case it is not. You would use the article for the West Bank, the Vatican City, the United States, the Ivory Coast, th

Tristan Miller (Email Removed) napisa³(a):
[nq:1]Only if the definite article is normally part of the jurisdiction's name, which in this case it is not.[/nq]
Google displays three times more search results for the version without the article, but I wanted to make sure. Google can be trusted :-) Anyway, thanks for dispelling my doubts.

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[nq:1]The terrorist organization IRA fought for overthrowing British control in the Northern Ireland. Should there be the definite article before Northern Ireland or not?[/nq]
No, but there should be one before the IRA.
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[nq:2]The terrorist organization IRA fought for overthrowing British control in ... there be the definite article before Northern Ireland or not?[/nq]
[nq:1]Only if the definite article is normally part of the jurisdiction's name, which in this case it is not. You ... exhaustive. There isn't any formal rule which will always tell you which jursdictions take the definite article and which don't

[nq:1]The terrorist organization IRA fought for overthrowing British control in the Northern Ireland. Should there be the definite article before Northern Ireland or not?[/nq]
1. No, because Northern Ireland is a standard place name but an article belongs before IRA, because it is a standard organizational name. We talk about the FBI, the Okhrana, the UN etc. (but this is not a universal rule:

Tony Cooper wrote on 05 Mar 2004:
[nq:2]Only if the definite article is normally part of the ... you which jursdictions take the definite article and which don't.[/nq]
[nq:1]The sentence would be better: The IRA, a terrorist organization, fought to overthrow the British control of Northern Ireland.[/nq]
It would be even better this way:
"The IRA, a terrorist organization, fought t

[nq:2]The terrorist organization IRA fought for overthrowing British control in ... there be the definite article before Northern Ireland or not?[/nq]
[nq:1]1. No, because Northern Ireland is a standard place name but an article belongs before IRA, because it is ... we talk about NATO without the article.) 2. "fought for overthrowing" is unidiomatic. Better fought to overthrow, or else[/nq]

[nq:2]The terrorist organization IRA fought for overthrowing British control in ... there be the definite article before Northern Ireland or not?[/nq]
[nq:1]No, but there should be one before the IRA.[/nq]
There is. It is at the beginning of the sentence.
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[nq:2]No, but there should be one before the IRA.[/nq]
[nq:1]There is. It is at the beginning of the sentence.[/nq]
That's not enough. You wouldn't say "The English group Beatles recorded Love Me Do". Or at least I wouldn't.
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[nq:2]There is. It is at the beginning of the sentence.[/nq]
[nq:1]That's not enough. You wouldn't say "The English group Beatles recorded Love Me Do". Or at least I wouldn't.[/nq]
I wouldn't either, as the group's name is "The Beatles".

I would write it as "The English group 'The Beatles' recorded /Love Me Do/".
As for the IRA, that is the initialism for the Irish Republican