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Viceidol Posted 18 years ago
Grammar

will/would/shall/should have done

0Sam thought that his wallet 01b00will have been02b00 found by one of the villagers. 02br
00Sam thought that his wallet 01b00would have been02b00 found by one of the villagers. 02br
00Sam thought that his wallet 01b00shall have been02b00 found by one of the villagers. 02br
00Sam thought that his wallet 01b00should have been02b00 found by one of the villagers. 02br
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00 May I ask if the version of 01b00"will02b00/01b00shall have been"02b00 is acceptable? (I think the version of "would/should have done" is acceptable. But I'm not sure about the other two.)02br
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00Please give me your opinion, thank you!0-
  

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0Yes, possible but with a meaning different from 01i 00would02i 00 (which here expresses the idea that under normal circumstances, it's expected that the wallet was found, one can make that assumption): 02br 00---------02br 01b 00Will have + past participle02b 00: to express 01b 00certainty or confidence02b 00 about the past02br 01i 00Dear Sir, You 01b 00will 02b 00recently 01b 00have received 02b 00a form02i 02br 00Swan, Practical English Usage, will 02br 00--------- 0-

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  • 0Yes, possible but with a meaning different from 01i 00would02i 00 (which here expresses the idea that under normal circumstances, it's expected that the wallet was found, one can make that assumption): 02br 00---------02br 01b 00Will have + past participle02b 00: to express 01b 00certainty or confidence02b 00 about the past02br 01i 00Dear Sir, You 01b 00will 02b 00recently 01b 00have received 02b 00a form02i 02br 00Swan, Practical English Usage, will 02br 00--------- 0-
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0Yes, possible but with a meaning different from 01i00would02i00 (which here expresses the idea that under normal circumstances, it's expected that the wallet was found, one can make that assumption): 02br
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01b00Will have + past participle02b00: to express 01b00certainty or confidence02b00
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01cite10Viceidol12cite10if the version of 11b10"will12b10/11b10shall have been"12b10 is acceptable?12blockquote
10 Not to my ear. 01i00thought that 02i00and01i00 knew that02i00 are almost never followed by 01i00can,
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0Let's start with Faulkner, shall we?05002br
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00by William Faulkner, James B. Meriwether - 196602br
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00And he would rise and dress and drive in to the village; he would even drive 02br
00 through the village although he 01b00knew that everything there will have long
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0 How does that compare with the corresponding frequency count for 01i00thought ... would02i00? About the same?02br
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0 No,01i00 would02i00 is much more frequent in this context than 01i00will02i00. Thousands times more050010id1
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Based on my analysis, the use of the shall/will have been+past participle of the verb is precisely similar to: 1) past perfect tense; e.g. She told me that she will have already got it.; 2) present perfect tense; e.g. I will have received the form lately; 3) the normal future perfect tense; e.g At that time I will have already been a lawyer.
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