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Clarence Posted 21 years ago
Grammar
Why 'have had' or 'had had'?
Hi,
I've a problem understanding the tenses used in the following sentences. The question in my mind is “Why use ‘HAVE HAD’ or ‘HAD HAD’ ??? Why not just 'HAVE' or 'HAD'?":
1. Mourinho has been given a two-match touchline ban and WOULD HAVE HAD to sit in the stands with a minder anyway.
2. I realized I'D HAD it in my pocket all along.
3. As a member of the Parent Support Group of a secondary school, I HAVE HAD the opportunity to interact with teachers in various programs and activities.
For example, what would be the difference if the tenses (in caps) are replaced by:
1: ‘would have’ or ‘have’?
2: ‘had’?
3. ‘had’?
Thanks,
Clarence.
I've a problem understanding the tenses used in the following sentences. The question in my mind is “Why use ‘HAVE HAD’ or ‘HAD HAD’ ??? Why not just 'HAVE' or 'HAD'?":
1. Mourinho has been given a two-match touchline ban and WOULD HAVE HAD to sit in the stands with a minder anyway.
2. I realized I'D HAD it in my pocket all along.
3. As a member of the Parent Support Group of a secondary school, I HAVE HAD the opportunity to interact with teachers in various programs and activities.
For example, what would be the difference if the tenses (in caps) are replaced by:
1: ‘would have’ or ‘have’?
2: ‘had’?
3. ‘had’?
Thanks,
Clarence.
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Hello, Clarence. You are going to be so pleased you asked this question! The answer can get a bit complicated, and you need to think about it.
- Hello, Clarence.
- You are going to be so pleased you asked this question!
- The answer can get a bit complicated, and you need to think about it.
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- Mourinho has been given a two-match touchline ban and WOULD HAVE HAD to sit in the stands with a minder anyway.
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Hello, Clarence.
You are going to be so pleased you asked this question! The answer can get a bit complicated, and you need to think about it.
1. Mourinho has been given a two-match touchline ban and WOULD HAVE HAD to sit in the stands with a minder anyway.
Here we are talking about the "future in the past".
At the time the speaker is talking, Mourhino had
You are going to be so pleased you asked this question! The answer can get a bit complicated, and you need to think about it.
1. Mourinho has been given a two-match touchline ban and WOULD HAVE HAD to sit in the stands with a minder anyway.
Here we are talking about the "future in the past".
At the time the speaker is talking, Mourhino had
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1. Mourinho has been given a two-match touchline ban and WOULD HAVE HAD to sit in the stands with a minder anyway.
JTT: It seems to me, though I may be mistaken, that these two issues are separate. Isn't this indicated by the "anyway"?
Is it not saying,
Even if Mourinho hadn't received the two match ban, he still would have been required to sit in the stands anyway.
JTT: It seems to me, though I may be mistaken, that these two issues are separate. Isn't this indicated by the "anyway"?
Is it not saying,
Even if Mourinho hadn't received the two match ban, he still would have been required to sit in the stands anyway.
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It's slightly misleading without the context, JT – this sentence relates to a report that Mourinho wouldn't be present at the match, e.g. something like:
'Mourinho won't be attending the Bayern Munich/Chelsea game on Tuesday. But he's been given a two-match touchline ban and would have had to sit in the stands [sic] with a minder anyway.'
MrP
'Mourinho won't be attending the Bayern Munich/Chelsea game on Tuesday. But he's been given a two-match touchline ban and would have had to sit in the stands [sic] with a minder anyway.'
MrP
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It's slightly misleading without the context, JT – this sentence relates to a report that Mourinho wouldn't be present at the match, e.g. something like:
'Mourinho won't be attending the Bayern Munich/Chelsea game on Tuesday. But he's been given a two-match touchline ban and would have had to sit in the stands [sic] with a minder anyway.'
JTT: I agree Mr P, probably there is
'Mourinho won't be attending the Bayern Munich/Chelsea game on Tuesday. But he's been given a two-match touchline ban and would have had to sit in the stands [sic] with a minder anyway.'
JTT: I agree Mr P, probably there is
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Once you stood in the stands. Then, after one or two unpleasant incidents, UK football grounds (the bigger ones, anyway) had to be made all-seating, in the hope that rival supporters would behave more politely towards each other. So now UK football supporters 'sit in the stands'. Quaint.
The Mourinho story is as follows: Mourinho (Chelsea's manager) was given a two-match touchline ban (
The Mourinho story is as follows: Mourinho (Chelsea's manager) was given a two-match touchline ban (
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Sadly the reason for all-seater stands is not related to "unpleasant" incidents, but to tragedies, in which several people died. There was a fire, and the Herseland incident, and a very tragic incident in which, after a v. boring match, fans were leaving before the game when a last minute goal was scored. In the surge to get back into the ground, several people died.
However, it i
However, it i
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Meanwhile, Clarence, do not get overly confused by the esoteric debate between Mr. P and JTT 
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I didn't want to sadden JT unduly, Abbie.
But any excuse to whack in a page of football quotes:
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MrP
But any excuse to whack in a page of football quotes:
[url="http://www.geocities.com/mikey_wbt/colemanballs/soccer_quotes.html"]Cheery Football Quotes[/url]
MrP
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..do not get overly confused by the esoteric debate between Mr. P and JTT...
And then, of course, Chelsea won, even though they lost...
MrP
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Abbie wrote:
1. Mourinho has been given a two-match touchline ban and WOULD HAVE HAD to sit in the stands with a minder anyway.
Here we are talking about the "future in the past".
At the time the speaker is talking, Mourhino had already received the ban (past). He knew then that for the next match (future, when he got the ban) he would have to sit in the stands.
1. Mourinho has been given a two-match touchline ban and WOULD HAVE HAD to sit in the stands with a minder anyway.
Here we are talking about the "future in the past".
At the time the speaker is talking, Mourhino had already received the ban (past). He knew then that for the next match (future, when he got the ban) he would have to sit in the stands.
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