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Ylhsu Posted 15 years ago
Grammar

Who or whom?

Hi all,

I have a question about the relative pronoun.

Shakespeare was a great writer.
We knew that he was famous for his plays.

If we want to combine these two sentences together:
Shakespeare, who/whom we knew was famous for his plays, was a great writer.

Which relative pronoun should I use? Who or whom? And why?
I'm totally confused with this....
  

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Welcome to the forums! Let me ask you this: Would you say "Him was famous for his plays"? " He is/was famous for his plays.

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Welcome to the forums!

Let me ask you this:
Would you say "Him was famous for his plays"? Or would you say "He was famous for his plays?"

If you would choose "him" then use "whom." If you would use "he" then use "who."

(The structure of the "We knew that he was famous for his plays." He IS currently famous, but there is no need for "We knew that." He is/was famous f
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Thank you so much for your reply.
Of course, I would say "He was famous...."
I just wonder... Isn't the world "whom" as a object for "knew"??
In your clear explanation "He was famous..." the words "we know" are gone.
So, I just feel confused with..."who we knew was famous for his plays" in this sentence, what's the object of knew??
Sorry to bother you again...
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I can't make "who we knew was famous for his plays" sound right to me.

Even so:
We knew he was famous for that. We knew it was he who was famous for that. It was he who we knew was famous for that.
This guy, who we knew was famous. In this he was famous, so he is the subject. What you know is that he was famous for doing something.

Compare: We knew him. This gu
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Oh, I see. Thank you for your clear explanation. I got it!!! Thank you soooo much!

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