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Milky Posted 19 years ago
Linguistics Studies

Which way would you sway?

0Which would you say is true from the part in blue?02br
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00"What status does the traditional notion of SVO clause structure for a language like English have in conversational data? 01font00Are the "ellipted" utterances of conversation really just a reduced and partial form of the "real" grammar? Or are the well-formed texts of written texts elaborated versions of the sparse and economical basic spoken structures elaborated because they have less contextual support in writing and must therefore increase the amount of redundancy00?"02font02br
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01. Spoken text: "Do you want me to – ?" Reply: "Yes, please."02br
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002. Written text: "Do you want me to do X?" Reply: "Yes, please."02br
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00In #1, context provides the missing information. In #2, all the information is expressed by the written text. 02br
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00That doesn't mean that #2 contains redundancy: there is no increas
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0When people first started to study grammar they looked at written texts. This was almost inevitable as those who studied grammar were literate. They looked at the texts of the "masters" and formulated rules accordingly. Any deviations from the rules, and especially those found in speech, were felt to be corrupt in some way.02br
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0<When people first started to study grammar they looked at written texts. This was almost inevitable as those who studied grammar were literate. They looked at the texts of the "masters" and formulated rules accordingly. Any deviations from the rules, and especially those found in speech, were felt to be corrupt in some way.>02br
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00And they used Latin as a model,
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0It seems to me that classical and scholastic grammarians studied Grammar in relation to the study of Rhetoric; and the study of Rhetoric related to effective public speaking. 02br
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00I would be interested to see quotations from the early English grammarians that presented spoken English as somehow inferior, or that demonstrated an imposition of inappropriate rules from L
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0<I would be interested to see quotations from the early English grammarians that presented spoken English as somehow inferior, or that demonstrated an imposition of inappropriate rules from Latin. >02br
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00Do you doubt that was the case?02br
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00If so, I guess you disagree with this:02br
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01cite10Milky12cite10<I would be interested to see quotations from the early English grammarians that presented spoken English as somehow inferior, or that demonstrated an imposition of inappropriate rules from Latin. >12br
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10I'll have to dig it out. I'm sure I had such years ago.12br
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10Well, don't go to any trouble. If you've seen examples, fair enough. 02br
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01cite10Milky12cite10And they used Latin as a model, right? 12blockquote
10 I was thinking as much about ancient grammarians as well as not so ancient ones. The point I wanted to make was that they studied written texts, rather than speech.0-
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00Which would you say is true from the part in blue?12blockquote
10The part in blue just has two questions. Can questions be true or false?02br
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00 In any case, I'd answer "They might be" for both questions.02br
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