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Pructus Posted 17 years ago
Grammar

Which is me

Hi! It seems to be generally accepted as true that "which" is used for things, not for people. But many texts in English are using "which" for people.

Here are some from Google. What should be the exact truth?

  

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I guess users of the language have the power to change the language and grammar rules as long as they keep writing/saying things incorrectly, and eventually it will become accepted. But until that moment, these sentences are all grammatically incorrect and don't sound correct as well. So use 'who(m)' instead.

  • I guess users of the language have the power to change the language and grammar rules as long as they keep writing/saying things incorrectly, and eventually it will become accepted.
  • But until that moment, these sentences are all grammatically incorrect and don't sound correct as well.
  • So use 'who(m)' instead.
  • Regards Jordy
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I guess users of the language have the power to change the language and grammar rules as long as they keep writing/saying things incorrectly, and eventually it will become accepted. But until that moment, these sentences are all grammatically incorrect and don't sound correct as well.

So use 'who(m)' instead.

Regards

Jordy
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Thanks a lot, dokter!!!
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Wait! What? You're saying he should write something like "It was destined for a hard-working student, whom was me"??

Try this: which describes me, or by which I mean me, by which I refer to myself.
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Thanks Grammar Geek!!!

Yes, I also find, "It was destined for a hard-working student, who was me"

or "It was destined for a hard-working student who was me", somewhat awkward....

But, "It was destined for a hard-working student, which was me" sounds more natural.

I've been looking for some clear explanation, and yours seems to make sense.

I am still
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Did you mean that the books say it's used only for things? (You wrote "only for people" above.)

I try to keep the distinction between who/whom for people and that/which for things, whenever doing so doesn't make something so awkward that it is likely to make the reader stop and go "what, wait - huh?"

I also would not use "which is" for the person here, which is why I suggested t
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Thanks a lot, Grammar Geek!!

I am sorry I am late...

It's my mistake. You are right. I meant that the books say it's used only for things.

How about this example?

(a) "A really hard working man can do it, which is me".

(b) "A really hard working man can do it, who is me".

(c) "A really hard working man can do it, that is me".
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pructusnative speaker's sense
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which has to do with selection -- choice. The idea is this:

If you want a really hard working man, choose me.

And yet all these are good too:

A really hard working man can do it, that is, me.
A really hard working man can do it, and that's me.
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Thanks a lot, CalifJim....

Then, what the grammar books are saying, "which is used only for things" is not correct?

At least, not covering all situations?

In movies, I've heard people saying, "----- real man, which is me".

I am wondering why the grammar books are saying that, "which is used only for things".
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I think this usage (which is me) is so unusual that the grammar books don't even mention it. In fact, a grammar book usually only contains information about the most usual constructions, and you always have to go to very specialized sources to find out about lesser used patterns of grammar.

I don't think it's possible for a grammar book to cover every pattern of grammar in any la
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I see... Thanks.....

But this one seems to be an important issue in English grammar, because the situation when some people have to say that seems to be not that unusual. I ran across that expression, "---, which is me" several times in movies.

Your explanations of "matter of choice" seems to be very to the point.

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