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When is the mark of the possessive case inappropriate?

Some of my students asked me last week which uses of the mark of the possessive case (apostrophe + s) are inappropriate or unnatural in contrast to constructions such as "the house of John," and I found that I couldn't really think of any rule offhand that explains when it's better to use a possessive case and when it's better to express possession the long way.
Can someone give me any ideas on guidelines I can propose? I looked in some grammar sources and they were silent on the topic.

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Mxsmanic wrote on 25 Jul 2004: [nq:1]Some of my students asked me last week which uses of the mark of the possessive case (apostrophe + s) are inappropriate or unnatural in contrast to constructions such as "the house of John,"[/nq] "The house of John" is unnatural English unless it is being used to name a business or a dynastic place, eg, the House of Usher. Otherwise, it always has to be "John's house", unless it is in a structure like "The house of John's that I am referring to is the one he owns in Miami Beach, not the one he rents there". [/nq] The rule that Michael Swan gives in Practical English Usage is that "we cannot usually put a possessive before another determiner and a noun.

  • Mxsmanic wrote on 25 Jul 2004: [nq:1]Some of my students asked me last week which uses of the mark of the possessive case (apostrophe + s) are inappropriate or unnatural in contrast to constructions such as "the house of John,"[/nq] "The house of John" is unnatural English unless it is being used to name a business or a dynastic place, eg, the House of Usher.
  • Otherwise, it always has to be "John's house", unless it is in a structure like "The house of John's that I am referring to is the one he owns in Miami Beach, not the one he rents there".
  • [/nq] The rule that Michael Swan gives in Practical English Usage is that "we cannot usually put a possessive before another determiner and a noun.
  • We can say 'my friend', 'Ann's friend' or 'that friend', but not 'a my friend' or 'that Ann's friend'(1).
  • " This is one of Swan's examples.
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Mxsmanic wrote on 25 Jul 2004:
[nq:1]Some of my students asked me last week which uses of the mark of the possessive case (apostrophe + s) are inappropriate or unnatural in contrast to constructions such as "the house of John,"[/nq]
"The house of John" is unnatural English unless it is being used to name a business or a dynastic place, eg, the House of Usher. Otherwise, it always has to be
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[nq:1]"That policeman is a friend of mine." This is one of Swan's examples. It differs stylistically from "That policeman is ... for brevity, I honestly can't think of why I'd use one form rather than the other without a specific context.[/nq]
"That policeman is a friend of mine" seems to me to mean "That policeman is one of my friends", i.e. that the speaker has more than one friend. This isn

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