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When is RP RP?
All this "who is plummy" business in the oo ah ee aye thread has set me thinking that identifying three different voices on the AUE site as just "RPspeaker" with various numbers is misleading especially for non-Brits, since it suggests there must be something wrong with their ears if those three voices are supposed to have the same accent: the one called "RP".
I'd suggest a classification that was "contemporary RP" (Arthur No. 2 and Rainbow No. 1), "archaic RP" (or "old-style RP" if whoever it is takes exception to "archaic"; Arthur No. 1), "estuarian RP" (Ferdinand No. 1), and "Home Counties" (Arthur No. 3, an accent not heard much any more in anyone under 50, having been estuaried out of business).
For me, as I said in the other thread, by far the most representative sample of what I think most Brits understand by "RP" nowadays the RP accent that is used in British EFL, for instance is whoever it is reading "Arthur" as No. 2 and "Rainbow" as No. 1: the one I suggest above calling "contemporary RP" or even just RP and dumping the others.
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Ross Howard
I'd suggest a classification that was "contemporary RP" (Arthur No. 2 and Rainbow No. 1), "archaic RP" (or "old-style RP" if whoever it is takes exception to "archaic"; Arthur No. 1), "estuarian RP" (Ferdinand No. 1), and "Home Counties" (Arthur No. 3, an accent not heard much any more in anyone under 50, having been estuaried out of business).
For me, as I said in the other thread, by far the most representative sample of what I think most Brits understand by "RP" nowadays the RP accent that is used in British EFL, for instance is whoever it is reading "Arthur" as No. 2 and "Rainbow" as No. 1: the one I suggest above calling "contemporary RP" or even just RP and dumping the others.
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Ross Howard
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[nq:1]I'd suggest a classification that was "contemporary RP" (Arthur No. 2 and Rainbow No. 1), "archaic RP" (or "old-style RP" ...
- [nq:1]I'd suggest a classification that was "contemporary RP" (Arthur No.
- 2 and Rainbow No.
- 1), "archaic RP" (or "old-style RP" ...
- (Arthur No.
- [/nq] I think "Old-Style RP" has to be subdivided further, but it would help if we could get a recording from a1a.
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[nq:1]I'd suggest a classification that was "contemporary RP" (Arthur No. 2 and Rainbow No. 1), "archaic RP" (or "old-style RP" ... (Arthur No. 3, an accent not heard much any more in anyone under 50, having been estuaried out of business).[/nq]
I think "Old-Style RP" has to be subdivided further, but it would help if we could get a recording from a1a. Those edumucated British accents you can
I think "Old-Style RP" has to be subdivided further, but it would help if we could get a recording from a1a. Those edumucated British accents you can
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[nq:1]I'd suggest a classification that was "contemporary RP" (Arthur No.2 and Rainbow No. 1), "archaic RP" (or "old-style RP" if whoever it is takes exception to "archaic"; Arthur No. 1), "estuarian RP"(Ferdinand No. 1),[/nq]
"Estuarian RP"? What will Clarence make of that?
[nq:1]and "Home Counties" (Arthur No. 3, an accent not heard much any more in anyone under 50, having been estuaried
"Estuarian RP"? What will Clarence make of that?
[nq:1]and "Home Counties" (Arthur No. 3, an accent not heard much any more in anyone under 50, having been estuaried
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[nq:1]I think "Old-Style RP" has to be subdivided further, but it would help if we could get a recording from ... like any sort of edumucated British accent of the present day, though there's a hint of Australo-Sithefrican in them. [/nq]
I'm putting up a 20-second clip of the BBC newsreader and announcer John Snagge, who flourished during the 1939-45 war and its aftermath. The clip was taken f
I'm putting up a 20-second clip of the BBC newsreader and announcer John Snagge, who flourished during the 1939-45 war and its aftermath. The clip was taken f
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He already calls it "cockney" (with lowercase c). (My response should not be read as implying that I approve of the name 'Clarence', ISBN.)
He already calls it "cockney" (with lowercase c). (My response should not be read as implying that I approve of the name 'Clarence', ISBN.)
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[nq:2] 2 (Ferdinand "Estuarian RP"? What will Clarence make of that?[/nq]
[nq:1]He already calls it "cockney" (with lowercase c). (My response should not be read as implying that I approve of the name 'Clarence', ISBN.)[/nq]
I admit that the distinction between what I've been calling "educated Estuary" and "estuarian RP" is a pretty nebulous one. So nebulous I think I'd best drop it altoge
[nq:1]He already calls it "cockney" (with lowercase c). (My response should not be read as implying that I approve of the name 'Clarence', ISBN.)[/nq]
I admit that the distinction between what I've been calling "educated Estuary" and "estuarian RP" is a pretty nebulous one. So nebulous I think I'd best drop it altoge
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[nq:1]Why not go a bit further and concede that RP is, FAPP, dead dead?Does anyone under age 50, say, speak RP in any interesting sense?[/nq]
Yes, there are a few. I've met some of them.
This of course depends on how you define RP, but I don't think anyone would have thought of the people I'm talking about as speaking "Estuary", or any accent from outside the South-East.
I'm sure
Yes, there are a few. I've met some of them.
This of course depends on how you define RP, but I don't think anyone would have thought of the people I'm talking about as speaking "Estuary", or any accent from outside the South-East.
I'm sure
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[nq:1] I'm sure fewer people of my age speak RP (by which I mean the sort of accent associated with the public school (UK meaning, of course) system and some middle-class people in southern England) than would have done 40 years ago, say. [/nq]
I thought we'd sort-of-established that RP is not the same as "public school", "Oxbridge", "upper-class" or similar phrases. RP is classless, neutral,
I thought we'd sort-of-established that RP is not the same as "public school", "Oxbridge", "upper-class" or similar phrases. RP is classless, neutral,
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[nq:1]I thought we'd sort-of-established that RP is not the same as "public school", "Oxbridge", "upper-class" or similar phrases. RP is classless, neutral, pure-vowelled.[/nq]
That sounds like what a1a himself would say.
That sounds like what a1a himself would say.
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[nq:1](My response should not be read as implying that I approve of the name 'Clarence', ISBN.)[/nq]
0738855073, according to amazon.com.
-Aaron J. Dinkin
Dr. Whom
0738855073, according to amazon.com.
-Aaron J. Dinkin
Dr. Whom
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[nq:2]I thought we'd sort-of-established that RP is not the same as "public school", "Oxbridge", "upper-class" or similar phrases. RP is classless, neutral, pure-vowelled.[/nq]
[nq:1]That sounds like what a1a himself would say.[/nq]
Whatever a1a would say, he would write it in such a muddled fashion that nobody could honestly say for certain what he meant. His postings were so full of obsc
[nq:1]That sounds like what a1a himself would say.[/nq]
Whatever a1a would say, he would write it in such a muddled fashion that nobody could honestly say for certain what he meant. His postings were so full of obsc
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