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WHEN as a relative pronoun?
Is the use of 'when' as a relative pronoun common? This sentence strikes me as being a little unusual. I would have used 'which', but 'since which' still sounds peculiar to me. Any suggestions? Perhaps replace the relative clause with an independent clause 'but more than half the academic staff has changed since'.
From to-day's Guardian:
'The university did badly in the 1996 research assessment exercise, since when more than half the academic staff have changed.'
Sebastian.
From to-day's Guardian:
'The university did badly in the 1996 research assessment exercise, since when more than half the academic staff have changed.'
Sebastian.
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[nq:1]Is the use of 'when' as a relative pronoun common? This sentence strikes me as being a little unusual. I ...
- [nq:1]Is the use of 'when' as a relative pronoun common?
- This sentence strikes me as being a little unusual.
- I ...
- '[/nq] This is a peculiar modern British barbarism, unknown in AmE.
- Has been discussed here before.
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[nq:1]Is the use of 'when' as a relative pronoun common? This sentence strikes me as being a little unusual. I ... 'The university did badly in the 1996 research assessment exercise, since when more than half the academic staff have changed.'[/nq]
This is a peculiar modern British barbarism, unknown in AmE. Has been discussed here before. I'd say "since which time".
AmE does have inte
This is a peculiar modern British barbarism, unknown in AmE. Has been discussed here before. I'd say "since which time".
AmE does have inte
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[nq:2]Is the use of 'when' as a relative pronoun common? ... since when more than half the academic staff have changed.'[/nq]
[nq:1]This is a peculiar modern British barbarism, unknown in AmE. Has been discussed here before. I'd say "since which time".[/nq]
I apologise for posting if it has been discussed before. Would you be able to provide the reference? I did a search on Google Groups w
[nq:1]This is a peculiar modern British barbarism, unknown in AmE. Has been discussed here before. I'd say "since which time".[/nq]
I apologise for posting if it has been discussed before. Would you be able to provide the reference? I did a search on Google Groups w
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[nq:2]Is the use of 'when' as a relative pronoun common? ... since when more than half the academic staff have changed.'[/nq]
[nq:1]This is a peculiar modern British barbarism, unknown in AmE. Has been discussed here before. I'd say "since which time". AmE does have interrogative "Since when?", but that's a whole nother thang.[/nq]
"I live at the top of the hill, from where I can see the w
[nq:1]This is a peculiar modern British barbarism, unknown in AmE. Has been discussed here before. I'd say "since which time". AmE does have interrogative "Since when?", but that's a whole nother thang.[/nq]
"I live at the top of the hill, from where I can see the w
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[nq:2]This is a peculiar modern British barbarism, unknown in AmE. ... have interrogative "Since when?", but that's a whole nother thang.[/nq]
[nq:1]"I live at the top of the hill, from where I can see the whole of the county." For AmE, replace "where" with "which place". Correct? Matti[/nq]
Correct, but a bit stilted. More likely is to replace "from where" with simply "where".
[nq:1]"I live at the top of the hill, from where I can see the whole of the county." For AmE, replace "where" with "which place". Correct? Matti[/nq]
Correct, but a bit stilted. More likely is to replace "from where" with simply "where".
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Matti asked:
[nq:1]"I live at the top of the hill, from where I can see the whole of the county." For AmE, replace "where" with "which place". Correct?[/nq]
Not for me: I'd prefer "from where." Are any U.S. counties that small though?
[nq:1]"I live at the top of the hill, from where I can see the whole of the county." For AmE, replace "where" with "which place". Correct?[/nq]
Not for me: I'd prefer "from where." Are any U.S. counties that small though?
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[nq:2]This is a peculiar modern British barbarism, unknown in AmE. Has been discussed here before. I'd say "since which time".[/nq]
[nq:1]I apologise for posting if it has been discussed before. Would you be able to provide the reference? I did a search on Google Groups with 'when "relative pronoun"', but there seemed to be a large number of irrelevant results.[/nq]
Just do a search for "s
[nq:1]I apologise for posting if it has been discussed before. Would you be able to provide the reference? I did a search on Google Groups with 'when "relative pronoun"', but there seemed to be a large number of irrelevant results.[/nq]
Just do a search for "s
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[nq:1]Matti asked:[/nq]
[nq:2]"I live at the top of the hill, from where ... the county." For AmE, replace "where" with "which place". Correct?[/nq]
[nq:1]Not for me: I'd prefer "from where." Are any U.S. counties that small though?[/nq]
So if you say "from where" instead of "from which place", do you also say "from when" instead of "from which time"? These seem to follow the same patt
[nq:2]"I live at the top of the hill, from where ... the county." For AmE, replace "where" with "which place". Correct?[/nq]
[nq:1]Not for me: I'd prefer "from where." Are any U.S. counties that small though?[/nq]
So if you say "from where" instead of "from which place", do you also say "from when" instead of "from which time"? These seem to follow the same patt
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[nq:2]Matti asked: Not for me: I'd prefer "from where." Are any U.S. counties that small though?[/nq]
[nq:1]So if you say "from where" instead of "from which place", do you also say "from when" instead of "from which time"? These seem to follow the same pattern.[/nq]
They do, but I'll have to think about it. I can't say "I live at the top of the hill, where I can see the whole of the count
[nq:1]So if you say "from where" instead of "from which place", do you also say "from when" instead of "from which time"? These seem to follow the same pattern.[/nq]
They do, but I'll have to think about it. I can't say "I live at the top of the hill, where I can see the whole of the count
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[nq:2]This is a peculiar modern British barbarism, unknown in AmE. ... have interrogative "Since when?", but that's a whole nother thang.[/nq]
[nq:1]"I live at the top of the hill, from where I can see the whole of the county." For AmE, replace "where" with "which place". Correct?[/nq]
I think it is fine as is, even AmEwise.
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
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[nq:1]"I live at the top of the hill, from where I can see the whole of the county." For AmE, replace "where" with "which place". Correct?[/nq]
I think it is fine as is, even AmEwise.
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opu
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[nq:2]"I live at the top of the hill, from where ... the county." For AmE, replace "where" with "which place". Correct?[/nq]
[nq:1]I think it is fine as is, even AmEwise.[/nq]
And how do you find the original sentence containing "since when"?
Matti
[nq:1]I think it is fine as is, even AmEwise.[/nq]
And how do you find the original sentence containing "since when"?
Matti
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