Wait! "I see the house below have moved."

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Wait! "I see the house below have moved."

Is the sentence correct? The meaning of see here is notice / examine or find out or something else?

The reason why have is used in the sentence is see needs bare form verbs as an object complement like I see you dance? Or the meaning of see is not notice there and it means another?

Fivejedjon · Accepted Answer

No. it's "I see (that) the house below has moved". You did not see it move/moving. You saw only that it was no longer there.
Or: "I saw the house move". It moved, and you saw that.

Grammar aside, this is a strange sentence. Do houses in your part of the world often move?

CalifJim · Answer

Hans51The reason why have is used in the sentence is see needs bare form verbs as an object complement like I see you dance?

No. You can't use a perfect form (have moved) in that position. In the catenative structure, it's only the plain verb or the -ing form.

see (something) move
see (something) moving

Of course, you can use "have" if it's not an auxiliary:

I saw her [have / having] three pieces of cake!

CJ

Hans51 · Answer

Thank you both so much and then could you tell me which one "see" means in the original sentence?

see

verb

BrE /si?/ ; NAmE /si?/

Verb Forms

use eyes

[transitive, intransitive] (not used in the progressive tenses) to become aware of somebody/something by using your eyessee (somebody/something) She looked for him but couldn't see him in the crowd.I looked out of the window but saw nothing.The opera was the place to see and be seen (= by other important or fashionable people).see (that)… He could see (that) she had been crying.see what, how, etc… Did you see what happened?If you watch carefully, you’ll see how it is done.see somebody/something + adj. I hate to see you unhappy.see somebody/something doing something She was seen running away from the scene of the crime.see somebody/something do something I saw you put the key in your pocket.somebody/something is seen to do something He was seen to enter the building about the time the crime was committed.Synonyms
[intransitive] (not usually used in the progressive tenses) to have or use the power of sightShe will never see again (= she has become blind).On a clear day you can see for miles from here.see to do something It was getting dark and I couldn't see to read.

watch

[transitive] (not usually used in the progressive tenses) see something to watch a game, television programme, performance, etc.Did you see that programme on Brazil last night?In the evening we went to see a movie.Fifty thousand people saw the match.Synonyms

look up information

[transitive] (used in orders) see something to look at something in order to find informationSee page 158.

meet by chance

[transitive] see somebody (not usually used in the progressive tenses) to be near and recognize somebody; to meet somebody by chanceGuess who I saw at the party last night!

visit

[transitive] see somebody to visit somebodyCome and see us again soon.

have meeting

[transitive] see somebody (about something) to have a meeting with somebodyYou ought to see a doctor about that cough.What is it you want to see me about?I can only see you for five minutes.

spend time

[transitive] (often used in the progressive tenses) see somebody to spend time with somebodyAre you seeing anyone (= having a romantic relationship with anyone)?They've been seeing a lot of each other (= spending a lot of time together) recently.

understand

[intransitive, transitive] (not usually used in the progressive tenses) to understand something‘It opens like this.’ ‘Oh, I see.’see something He didn't see the joke.I don't think she saw the point of the story.I can see both sides of the argument.Make Lydia see reason (= be sensible), will you?see (that)… Can’t you see (that) he’s taking advantage of you?I don't see that it matters what Josh thinks.see what, why, etc… ‘It's broken.’ ‘Oh yes, I see what you mean.’‘Can we go swimming?’ ‘I don't see why not (= yes, you can).’be seen to do something The government not only has to do something, it must be seen to be doing something (= people must be aware that it is doing something).Synonyms

have opinion

[transitive] see something + adv./prep. (not usually used in the progressive tenses) to have an opinion of somethingI see things differently now.Try to see things from her point of view.Lack of money is the main problem, as I see it (= in my opinion).The way I see it, you have three main problems.Synonyms

imagine

[transitive] (not used in the progressive tenses) to consider something as a future possibility; to imagine somebody/something as somethingsee somebody/something doing something I can't see her changing her mind.see somebody/something as something His colleagues see him as a future director.Synonyms

find out

[intransitive, transitive] (not usually used in the progressive tenses) to find out something by looking, asking or waiting‘Has the mail come yet?’ ‘I'll just go and see.’‘Is he going to get better?’ ‘I don't know, we'll just have to wait and see.’We'll have a great time, you'll see.see what, how, etc… Go and see what the kids are doing, will you?We'll have to see how it goes.see (that)… I see (that) interest rates are going up again.it is seen that… It can be seen that certain groups are more at risk than others.
[intransitive, transitive] (not usually used in the progressive tenses) to find out or decide something by thinking or considering‘Will you be able to help us?’ ‘I don't know, I'll have to see.’‘Can I go to the party?’ ‘We'll see (= I'll decide later).see what, whether, etc… I'll see what I can do to help.

make sure

[transitive] (not usually used in the progressive tenses) see that… to make sure that you do something or that something is doneSee that all the doors are locked before you leave.Could you see that the kids are in bed by 8 o'clock?

experience

[transitive] (not used in the progressive tenses) see something to experience or suffer somethingHe has seen a great deal in his long life.I hope I never live to see the day when computers finally replace books.It didn't surprise her—she had seen it all before.

witness event

[transitive] (not used in the progressive tenses) see something to be the time when an event happensNext year sees the centenary of Mahler's death.
[transitive] (not used in the progressive tenses) see something to be the place where an event happenssynonym witnessThis stadium has seen many thrilling football games.

help

[transitive] see somebody + adv./prep. to go with somebody to help or protect themI saw the old lady across (= helped her cross) the road.May I see you home (= go with you as far as your house)?My secretary will see you out (= show you the way out of the building).

CalifJim · Answer

Hans51Thank you both so much and then could you tell me which one "see" means in the original sentence?

The original sentence (I see the house below have moved) is wrong as far as I know, so there isn't much point in discussing it.

It's a matter of noting two different constructions with "see".

I see (that) the flag has moved.
I saw the flag [move / moving].

"see" is to observe with the eyes in both cases. The definition of "see" is not relevant in this example.

CJ

Hans51 · Answer

CalifJimI see (that) the flag has moved.I saw the flag [move / moving].

Thank you so much! This is what I would like to know and then is there a meaning difference between the two different structures?

CalifJim · Answer

Hans51is there a meaning difference between the two different structures?

OK. Now I understand what you're asking for.

I see (that) the flag has moved. ~ I [see/observe] that the flag is not where it was before.
I saw the flag [move / moving]. ~ I [saw/observed] movements of the flag.

CJ

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