Verbal vs de verbal vs noun

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Thank you so much sir for explaining in detail. Understood all your points. Its a long reply but I request you to please help me out with this thankyou in advance. (I will start a new thread after this)

This where i read about Deverbal noun

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deverbal_noun#targetText=From%20Wikipedia%2C%20the%20free%20encyclopedia,as%20nouns%2C%20not%20as%20verbs .

Also shared below is an article explaining verbal, de verbal, gerund., in this it says nouns formed by adding suffixes (tion, sion etc) are ‘de-verbal noun’ not normalisation. Which further confused me.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7d52/bde8fa47bf8a08f20c0943764a0c26fc1df0.pdf

So this is what i wanted to say earlier

* Verbs--finite/gerunds/participle can have direct objects but normalised verbs (implementation, decision etc) cannot have direct objects

Eg. Its hard deciding the answer

Its hard to take decision

Right?

From eg. above

I saw him play football

I saw him playing football

I know both are correct since verbs and gerunds both can take direct objects (which is also mentioned in your answer) , also that-- play is a verb and playing is a gerund.

My question:

Is there any difference in meaning of the two sentences?
Also since verb can take direct object why use gerund?

For words which are both noun/verb (you have also given many egs above) do such verbs also have normalised noun form?

AlpheccaStars · Accepted Answer

anonymousThis where i read about Deverbal noun

There is basically no difference (in grammatical usage) between an ordinary noun and a noun that has some relation to a verb. Nouns function as nouns whether its a deverbal noun or not a deverbal noun.

So clear up your confusion. Just know how nouns are used.

anonymousnormalisation

That is not the correct word. I think you meant nominalization. This is the process of creating a noun from a word that is another part of speech.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominalization

anonymous but normalised verbs (implementation, decision etc) cannot have direct objects

Correct. Nouns can never have a direct object.
It does not matter if the noun has been formed from a verb (nominalized from a verb) or not.

Nouns can have complements:

The decision [ to replace all the computers with new ones ] was taken last week.

Note that not all verbs can take a direct object. These are intransitive verbs.

anonymousEg. It's hard deciding the answer.
It's hard to take a decision

The first is not natural English. We do not "decide an answer".

These are good. In the first and third sentences, there is a content clause (also called a "noun" clause) which is the complement of the verb "decide." In the second sentence, that clause is the complement of the preposition "on."

It's hard to decide what we should do.
It's hard to take a decision on what we should do.
Deciding what we should do is hard.

anonymousI saw him play football.
I saw him playing football.

Both are correct sentences. There are two forms of the verb "play."
1. Play is a verb (infinitive)
2. Playing is a verb. (present participle)

The meaning is about the same, except that the second emphasizes that the action "playing" occurred over a time period and you saw him during that time. We used these forms in different situations. Here are examples:

My great grandfather died last year. He loved sports and liked to play football. When I was a child, I saw him play a few matches. I can't remember how many, though.

Where is Jimmy? 
Oh, he must still be in the park. I saw him playing football there a few minutes ago.

anonymousFor words which are both noun/verb (you have also given many egs above) do such verbs also have normalised noun form?

Probably not. They do not need one. The same word is either a noun or a verb, depending on the sentence.

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