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Vsuresh Posted 14 years ago
Grammar

until after

Hi
Please help me with this.
However, the real development of ice cream and the ice cream business didn’t take place until after 1900 with new developments in refrigeration.
My question: I am not used to this expression. I am unable to understand it. Please tell me its meaning here.
Is it commonly used among natives?
  

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It is common. 'Until after + point in time' means, well, until after that point. I really don't know how I can say it any simpler.

  • It is common.
  • 'Until after + point in time' means, well, until after that point.
  • I really don't know how I can say it any simpler.
  • didn’t take place until after 1900 = development started in 1901.
  • Another example (they are usually or almost always negative or non-actions): I couldn't ski until after I'd had 6 lessons = I could ski only after 6 lessons You shouldn't turn on the TV until after 7 AM = You can turn it on at 7:01 AM.
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It is common. 'Until after + point in time' means, well, until after that point. I really don't know how I can say it any simpler.

...development...didn’t take place until after 1900 = development started in 1901.

Another example (they are usually or almost always negative or non-actions):

I couldn't ski until after I'd had 6 lessons = I could ski only after
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Thank you very much,Sir.

I understand you cannot make simpler than that. Since I don't use I am unable to understand it easily.
Please help me understand the difference.
She did not take it until 7.
She did not take it until after 7.
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vsureshHowever, the real development of ice cream and the ice cream business didn’t take place until after 1900 with new developments in refrigeration.
This implies that these developments were going on before, during, and after 1900, but that the real development had to wait until refrigeration techniques were improved, and that improvement happened on
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vsureshShe did not take it until 7.She did not take it until after 7.
She did not take it until 7. She took it at exactly 7 o'clock.

She did not take it until after 7. Maybe she took it at 7:05, maybe 7:30, maybe later.

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