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As far as I know, There is not so big a difference, but:

#1 emphasizes the completion of the action because of the past perfect there. I mean the writer imples that" only after it had stopped bitng did s/he get out of it"

I had to wait until it had stopped biting. [you could say that in this case the waiting takes more time, to make sure that ...

I had to wait until it stopped biting.

until it had sounds like until after it ..., IMO. Waht do you think?

Thanks everyone!
I get how the past perfect works here.

New2grammaruntil it had sounds like until after it ..., IMO. Waht do you think?

What do you mean does 'until after' imply here, New2?

I think "until after" might imply a time lag between biting and the next action(,or maybe not). But I think the past perfect, to the contrary, indicates 'just after it stoppe

LiveinjapanIf the sentence is like 'I didn't do that until it had stopped...,' then it means 'just after it stopped it I did that,' where there may be no time lag, IMO.

I beg to differ. To indicate there's probably no delay, you would need to say "I didn't do that until it stopped". Using 'had' makes the possibility of a delay higher.

But I could be

LiveinjapanIf the sentence is like 'I didn't do that until it had stopped...,' then it means 'just after it stopped it I did that,' where there may be no time lag, IMO.

Hi New2

I should have said 'until it had stopped..' and 'until I stopped ...' are not much different in terms of a time lag.
If you want to indicate a time lag, I think you could s

LiveinjapanI should have said 'until it had stopped..' and 'until I stopped ...' are not much different in terms of a time lag.
If you want to indicate a time lag, I think you could say 'I didn't do that before it stopped biting.'

I see. So, you would use them interchangeably? I mean, the constructions "until...had" and "until ...past tense"? I guess

Hi guys,

I had to wait until it had stopped biting.



I had to wait until it stopped biting.

If there's any difference between the two sentences, could you tell me please?
Both of these sound natual to me. I don't feel any real difference when I read them, although I think your discussion about small delays is on the right track.

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Thanks, Clive. One less worry. Sorry, LiJ for making a fuss.