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Pructus Posted 11 years ago
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Is it true that "There is the dog under the table" is wrong, and it should be "The dog is under the table""?
Reason being, old informatin comes to the front of a sentence and new information to the back?
  

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pructus Is it true that "There is the dog under the table" is wrong, and it should be "The dog is under the table""? We can say that. However, you may occasionally encounter a sentence in which there and the is used.

  • pructus Is it true that "There is the dog under the table" is wrong, and it should be "The dog is under the table""?
  • We can say that.
  • However, you may occasionally encounter a sentence in which there and the is used.
  • That is uncommon, though.
  • If a sentence begins with a preparatory there, the definite article isn't normally used.
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pructusIs it true that "There is the dog under the table" is wrong, and it should be "The dog is under the table""?
We can say that. However, you may occasionally encounter a sentence in which there and the is used. That is uncommon, though. If a sentence begins with a preparatory there, the definite article isn't normally used. In other w
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Famous grammarians seem to be using "There is the ~", as below.

CGEL refers to Huddleston's book, Cambridge Grammar of English Language.

I went into the kitchen and there was the letter. (Greenbaum p 513)

Thirdly, there is the NP-bound non-specific interpretation where they don't have any particular film-star in mind. (CGEL, p 406)

The succession in time or spac
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Thanks a lot, Cool Breeze!!
I added some more...
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As I did not give the full detail of this matter, I feel like adding some more....

A Korean English Grammarian wrote in his book that "There is the dog under the table" is wrong.
His logic is like this:

In English, old information comes at the front of a sentence and new information to the back.
"A dog" is a new information, so it goes to the back of a sentence, hence the
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pructusFamous grammarians seem to be using "There is the ~", as below.CGEL refers to Huddleston's book, Cambridge Grammar of English Language.I went into the kitchen and there was the letter. (Greenbaum p 513)
Your references are obscure. By CGEL do you mean Quirk et al' s Comprehensive Grammar or Huddleston and Pullum's Cambridge Grammar of
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Oh, thanks so much, fivejedjon!!

CGEL refers to the book written by Huddleston et al.

Greenbaum refers to the book written by Greenbaum et al.

I went into the kitchen and there was the letter. (Greenbaum p 513)
--- This is not from CGEL, it is from Greenbaum's book.

Reading your explanations, I feel like your opinion is that "There is the dog under the table
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pructusGreenbaum refers to the book written by Greenbaum et al.I went into the kitchen and there was the letter. (Greenbaum p 513)--- This is not from CGEL, it is from Greenbaum's book.
Greenbaum was one of the authors of this book, A comprehensive Grammar of the English Language. The four authors were Randolph Quirk, Sidney Greenbaum, Geoffrey Leech an
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I see... I see....
Thanks again, fivejedjon!!
And also thanks for the tip about proper referencing, Quirk et. al....

With your explanations, I think I am starting to understand the picture.
The two seemingly opposite opinions may not be different from each other.
The opinions may be looking at the same thing indifferent perspective.

So far, this is my understandin
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pructusBut, if the speaker is not concerned about presenting a new information, and just about providing a fact or incident, then the speaker can say, "There is the dog under table", with "The dog" emphasized verbally or mentally....
Not really. 'There is the dog' is simply a more emphatic way of saying 'The dog is 'there'. 'There' means 'in the pace I am ind
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I see....

Then,
fivejedjon 'There is the dog' is simply a more emphatic way of saying 'The dog is 'there'.
This seems to be a concluding remark on this issue...

Then, "There is the dog" cannot be wrong....
It is a more emphatic way to say "The dog is there"....

I think now I've got it, at least to a certain degree....

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