The usage of have

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I saw an episode of a soap opera as below. Sincerely need someone's help in answering if the woman was caused or asked to take off her clothes. Does ''we've had a woman take her clothes off" have other meaning? What is it? What will be the meaning if it is written as "we've had a woman taking/taken off her clothes". Thanks in advance.

A: It has been some time since we’ve had a woman take her clothes off in our apartment
B: That’s not true. Remember at thanksgiving . My grandmather with alzheimer’s had that episode?
A: Points taken. It has been some time since we’ve had a woman take her clothes off. After which we didn’t want to rip our eyes out

CalifJim · Accepted Answer

2cr3nd4It has been some time since we’ve had a woman take her clothes off in our apartment.

= It has been some time since we have observed/seen a woman take her clothes off in our apartment (willingly, because she wanted to).
= It has been some time since we have had the experience of seeing a woman take ....

Compare:

At a police station: This is the first night this week that we've had more than 10 drunks in the jail cells.
___________________

An alternate interpretation is that we arranged for the woman to take her clothes off, but the given context does not suggest that to me. The arrangement might have involved anything from coaxing her to do it to paying her to do it.

CJ

2cr3nd4 · Answer

thanks for your instant reply. Would like to have another help from you.

Example A: What was it like playing with Gazza?
Gazza was always clowning about. He likened me to Frank Bruno on the plane once and the whole squad were in hysterics. I just wanted to grab him by the neck but he had me laughing too - he had that effect on everyone. You just couldn't help but laugh at him.

Example B: Birmingham have had their transfer embargo lifted by the Football League.

Does the word "have" used in Example A and B also carry the meaning of "see"?

Can I rewrite the sentence like below?
I just wanted to grab him by the neck but he saw me laughing too
Birmingham have seen their transfer embargo lifted by the Football League.

Is there any other meaning of the word "have" in those two sentences?

Is it gramatically correct if I write like below?
Birmingham had their transfer embargo lifted by the Football League.

Thanks in advance.

CalifJim · Answer

2cr3nd4I would like to have ~~another~~ more help from you.

2cr3nd4but he had me laughing

= but he caused me to laugh

2cr3nd4have had their transfer embargo lifted

= have undergone the experience that their transfer embargo was lifted
(What happened to Birmingham was that their transfer embargo was lifted.)

2cr3nd4Does the word "have" used in Example A and B also carry the meaning of "see"?

No. 'see' is sometimes appropriate in a paraphrase of 'have', and sometimes it is not appropriate. The main meanings have more to do with ideas like 'cause', 'arrange', 'influence', and 'experience'.

2cr3nd4Can I rewrite the sentence like below?I just wanted to grab him by the neck but he saw me laughing too

No. This is the 'cause' meaning, not the 'experience' meaning.

2cr3nd4Birmingham have seen their transfer embargo lifted by the Football League.

Yes, but true seeing is not intended, nor is this a matter of observing, except metaphorically. This is the 'experience' meaning. It's something that happened to Birmingham.

2cr3nd4Is it gramatically correct if I write like below?Birmingham had their transfer embargo lifted by the Football League.

Yes. That puts it in the simple past tense. The original is in the present perfect tense.

CJ

2cr3nd4 · Answer

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CalifJim · Answer

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CJ

2cr3nd4 · Answer

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