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A person from the Ukraine has told a friend of mine that the country no longer takes the article "the" because they are no longer part of the USSR. Does this make any sense? The Philippines and the Netherlands gets the article and it is not insulting in anyway. Is the article part of those country names owing to some past colony issues? Is this concept with the Ukraine a misunderstanding of English? What right do foreigners have to tell us how to speak?
Do you think it has something to do with the USSR having an article as well?
She lives in Ukraine.
She lives in the Ukraine.
What do style manuals out there do? What does the New York Times do? Matt
Do you think it has something to do with the USSR having an article as well?
She lives in Ukraine.
She lives in the Ukraine.
What do style manuals out there do? What does the New York Times do? Matt
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[nq:1]A person from the Ukraine has told a friend of mine that the country no longer takes the article "the" ... Ukraine. She lives in the Ukraine.
- [nq:1]A person from the Ukraine has told a friend of mine that the country no longer takes the article "the" ...
- Ukraine.
- She lives in the Ukraine.
- What do style manuals out there do?
- [/nq] Would you mind checking the Google Groups archives on this?
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[nq:1]A person from the Ukraine has told a friend of mine that the country no longer takes the article "the" ... Ukraine. She lives in the Ukraine. What do style manuals out there do? What does the New York Times do?[/nq]
Would you mind checking the Google Groups archives on this? It comes up about every two years, so I know you'll find quite a lot.
Best Donna Richoux
Would you mind checking the Google Groups archives on this? It comes up about every two years, so I know you'll find quite a lot.
Best Donna Richoux
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[nq:1]A person from the Ukraine has told a friend of mine that the country no longer takes the article "the" because they are no longer part of the USSR. Does this make any sense?[/nq]
None.
[nq:1]The Philippines and the Netherlands gets the article and it is not insulting in anyway.[/nq]
nb. They're plural.
[nq:1]Is the article part of those country names owing to some past colony
None.
[nq:1]The Philippines and the Netherlands gets the article and it is not insulting in anyway.[/nq]
nb. They're plural.
[nq:1]Is the article part of those country names owing to some past colony
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@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
[nq:1]A person from the Ukraine has told a friend of mine that the country no longer takes the article "the" ... She lives in the Ukraine. What do style manuals out there do? What does the New York Times do? Matt[/nq]
It's apparently just a national identity thing. And only applies to non Ukrainian/Russian speakers since neither of those languages has 'a' or
[nq:1]A person from the Ukraine has told a friend of mine that the country no longer takes the article "the" ... She lives in the Ukraine. What do style manuals out there do? What does the New York Times do? Matt[/nq]
It's apparently just a national identity thing. And only applies to non Ukrainian/Russian speakers since neither of those languages has 'a' or
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[nq:1]@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:[/nq]
[nq:2]A person from the Ukraine has told a friend of ... there do? What does the New York Times do? Matt[/nq]
[nq:1]It's apparently just a national identity thing. And only applies to non Ukrainian/Russian speakers since neither of those languages has ... I suppose that since they are now an independant nation once more, they prefer for outsiders t
[nq:2]A person from the Ukraine has told a friend of ... there do? What does the New York Times do? Matt[/nq]
[nq:1]It's apparently just a national identity thing. And only applies to non Ukrainian/Russian speakers since neither of those languages has ... I suppose that since they are now an independant nation once more, they prefer for outsiders t
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[nq:1]I've heard the view advanced that the Soviet Union was happy to have the are referred to in English as ... Dunno what other languages did.other than my Oxford Hachette says "l'Ukraine" while my Spanish and German dictionaries omit the article.[/nq]
I think that I can probably agree with that, although, as far as I can tell, no other republic was ever prefixed with 'the' by Eng
[nq:1]I've heard the view advanced that the Soviet Union was happy to have the are referred to in English as ... Dunno what other languages did.other than my Oxford Hachette says "l'Ukraine" while my Spanish and German dictionaries omit the article.[/nq]
I think that I can probably agree with that, although, as far as I can tell, no other republic was ever prefixed with 'the' by Eng
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[nq:1](snip)[/nq]
[nq:2]I've heard the view advanced that the Soviet Union was ... "l'Ukraine" while my Spanish and German dictionaries omit the article.[/nq]
[nq:1]I think that I can probably agree with that, although, as far as I can tell, no other republic was ... and they were all considered (unofficially), subordinate. Byelorus, Tadzhikistan, Azbekistan, Estonia, Lithuania, Turkmen, A
[nq:2]I've heard the view advanced that the Soviet Union was ... "l'Ukraine" while my Spanish and German dictionaries omit the article.[/nq]
[nq:1]I think that I can probably agree with that, although, as far as I can tell, no other republic was ... and they were all considered (unofficially), subordinate. Byelorus, Tadzhikistan, Azbekistan, Estonia, Lithuania, Turkmen, A
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[nq:1]A person from the Ukraine has told a friend of mine that the country no longer takes the article "the" ... this concept with the Ukraine a misunderstanding of English? What right do foreigners have to tell us how to speak?[/nq]
There is Nederland the country, often called "The Netherlands" in English, "Pays Bas" in French.
But strictly speaking it applies to Nederland, Belgie and Lux
There is Nederland the country, often called "The Netherlands" in English, "Pays Bas" in French.
But strictly speaking it applies to Nederland, Belgie and Lux
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