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Osee Posted 19 years ago
Speech & Pronunciation

the "th" in "With these changes came..."

0 As titled, when reading that sentence, is it more popular to put those "th" together, namely reading as if "withese changes came..."? Thanks. 0-
  

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0Well, the easiest way (but not 100% accurate) of describing it would be to say an unreleased voiced interdental fricative followed by a voiceless one: so something like: [wIT_} Diz tSendZ@z k_he(I)m] 0-

  • 0Well, the easiest way (but not 100% accurate) of describing it would be to say an unreleased voiced interdental fricative followed by a voiceless one: so something like: [wIT_} Diz tSendZ@z k_he(I)m] 0-
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0Well, the easiest way (but not 100% accurate) of describing it would be to say an unreleased voiced interdental fricative followed by a voiceless one: so something like: [wIT_} Diz tSendZ@z k_he(I)m] 0-
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01cite10Marvin A.12cite10Well, the easiest way (but not 100% accurate) of describing it would be to say an unreleased 11font10voiced12font10 interdental fricative 11font10followed by a voiceless12font10 one: so something like: [wIT_} Diz tSendZ@z k_
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0>> Marvin, did you mean the other way around? A voiceless one followed by a voiced one? <<02br
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00yeah, sorry I didn't proofread.0-
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00is it more popular to put those "th" together12blockquote
10No, as explained above. You need two different 01b00th02b00's if two come together like that; otherwise, we couldn't tell the difference between 01i00with a02i00 and 01i00with the02i00.02br
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0Hi CalifJim,02br
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00So you mean we need read them just as two word--wi01b00th02b00 01b00th02b00ese, and the pronunciations of them are the same, right?02br
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00Thanks a lot.02br
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00Osee0-
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0>> So you mean we need read them just as two word--wi01b00th02b00 01b00th02b00ese, and the pronunciations of them are the same, right? <<02br
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00No. Remember that although the "th" in "with" and the "th" in "these" are written the same way, they are as different from each other as the letters "p" and "b". The "t
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00Hi CalifJim, 12br
10So you mean we need read them just as two word--wi11b10th12b10 11b10th12b10ese, and the pronunciations of them are the same, right?10No -- as Marvin was kind enough to explain while I was away. (Thanks, Marvin!)12br
10 The 11i10th12i10 in 1
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0Hi Marvin and CJ,02br
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00First I have to say you guys are really great; your enthusiasm is a gorgeous asset for me to learn English!02br
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00Well, please forgive me to put up with some further questions along this thread.02br
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001) If those two "th" could be pronounced the same, then does a native English speaker would more
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0as mentioned in my above post, below is the pronounciation for with drawn for W-M.0-
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0 I think both Marvin and I responded using the pronunciation 01i00with02i00 (unvoiced 01i00th02i00), not 01i00wi01u00th02u02i00 (voiced 01i01u00th02u02i00); as far as I know, 01i00with02i00 is the most common pronunciation. If you pronounce both 

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