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The Pronunciation of Samoa.

I noticed during the England v Samoa rugby match that the determination of commentators to pronounce "Samoa" with the stress on the first syllable continues intermittently. They lapse, however, from time to time into the old stressed "o" version, as if it came more naturally to them. Meanwhile the rugby men in the studios, and the coaches and players in the post-match interviews, still emphasize the "o" quite unselfconsciously. The result is inconsistency.

I don't doubt that stressing the first syllable is correct, and courteous to the Samoans, who probably pronounce it that way themselves, but it comes so unnaturally, and has such an effect, in my opinion, of pedantry, that I'd like to see this lame campaign dropped. After all, we don't prnounce "Paris" as the French do, or "Copenhagen" as the Danes do, and there's no campaign to change that state of affairs.
Additionally, it's not just "Samoa" that we have to pronounce differently now, but "Samoan" and "Samoans" into the bargain. But what is the betting that these derivatives aren't Samoan words at all, but Englishisms resulting from the logic of the English language? If that is the case then these new pronunciations may be as inauthentic as the old ones.
Peasemarch.
  

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[/nq] Start doubting! In Samoan, the first syllable of doesn't receive primary stress: the is merely a long vowel, /a:/. Stress falls on the /o/.

  • [/nq] Start doubting!
  • In Samoan, the first syllable of doesn't receive primary stress: the is merely a long vowel, /a:/.
  • Stress falls on the /o/.
  • New Zealanders especially are famous for shortening & stressing the first syllable while unstressing the second.
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[nq:1]I don't doubt that stressing the first syllable is correct, and courteous to the Samoans, who probably pronounce it that way themselves.[/nq]
Start doubting! In Samoan, the first syllable of doesn't receive primary stress: the is merely a long vowel, /a:/. Stress falls on the /o/. New Zealanders especially are famous for shortening & stressing the first syllable while unstressing the s
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I keep hearing people around here saying insurance with the emphasis on the first syllable. Am I hearing things? If not, is this only here?

From University City, Mo., U.S.A.,
Michael Hamm Since mid-September of 2003, AM, Math, Wash. U. St. Louis I've been erasing too much UBE. (Email Removed) Of a reply, then, if you have been cheated,
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[nq:1]I keep hearing people around here saying insurance with the emphasis on the first syllable. Am I hearing things? If not, is this only here?[/nq]
It's fantastically difficult for us to tell whether you are hearing things or not. However, I can report that I have heard our colonial cousins using this barbaric pronunciation.

David
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[nq:1]I have heard our colonial cousins using this barbaric pronunciation.[/nq]
You mean the Egyptians?
Michael Hamm Since mid-September of 2003, AM, Math, Wash. U. St. Louis I've been erasing too much UBE. (Email Removed) Of a reply, then, if you have been cheated, http://math.wust
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[nq:1]I keep hearing people around here saying insurance with the emphasis on the first syllable. Am I hearing things? If not, is this only here?[/nq]
No, it's a common, if unpleasant, pronunciation in much of these United States I think particularly in Southern and South-Midland-influenced regions (CWADOBZFCOT). You've probably also heard "UM-brella". I seem to remember learning (maybe here)
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on 30 Oct 2003:
[nq:1]I keep hearing people around here saying insurance with the emphasis on the first syllable. Am I hearing things? If not, is this only here?[/nq]
That's all I ever heard in Atlanta, GA, in the mid-late 60s. It's a southernism, and St Louis is probably more South than North.
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[nq:1]I keep hearing people around here saying insurance with the emphasis on the first syllable. Am I hearing things? If not, is this only here?[/nq]
Here's the results pertaining to this question from Bert Vaux's not-very-scientific survey:
http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~golder/diale
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} I keep hearing people around here saying insurance with the emphasis on } the first syllable. Am I hearing things? If not, is this only here? }
} From University City, Mo., U.S.A.,
Is it being used as a noun? If so, the accent is on the first syllable. If as a verb it's on the second syllable. Just like all those other words you know that work that way. "Contract", "police", "umbrella",
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[nq:1]BTW, Hamm, while I have your attention: Three questions: (a) Do you rhyme "egg" with "vague"?[/nq]
No. /Eg/, /vejg/.
[nq:1](b) For noun "address", do you stress the first or the second syllable?[/nq]
A speech: the second. A location: either, but I think usually the second.
[nq:1](c) Do you say "avenue" as "avenoo" or as "aven-yoo"?[/nq]
There's a /j/ (y) in there. But I d
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[nq:1]} people around here saying insurance with the emphasis on the first } syllable. used as a noun? If so, the accent is on the first syllable. If as a verb it's on the second syllable. Just like all those other words[/nq]
I've never heard it as a verb.
Michael Hamm Since mid-September of 2003, AM, Math, Wash. U. St. Louis I've been erasing too much UBE. (Email Removed) Of a reply, then

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