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Usenet Posted 19 years ago
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"The" or no "the"

Hello All:
To me, a "the" before the "US ambassador" in the following text is needed. However, checking similar expressions from various sources show no "the"s.
How so?
Thanks,
Ahmet Toprak
?The? US Ambassador to Turkey Ross Wilson stated on Monday that an airspace violation last week by US jets in Turkey's southeastern province of Hakkari bordering Iraq was due to pilot error.
  

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[nq:1]Hello All: To me, a "the" before the "US ambassador" in the following text is needed. However, checking similar expressions ... [/nq] It's a convention of journalistic writing to use a job title or occupation as though it were an honorific title (Mr.

  • [nq:1]Hello All: To me, a "the" before the "US ambassador" in the following text is needed.
  • However, checking similar expressions ...
  • [/nq] It's a convention of journalistic writing to use a job title or occupation as though it were an honorific title (Mr.
  • ): US Ambassador to Wherever John Smith did such and such.
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[nq:1]Hello All: To me, a "the" before the "US ambassador" in the following text is needed. However, checking similar expressions ... airspace violation last week by US jets in Turkey's southeastern province of Hakkari bordering Iraq was due to pilot error.[/nq]
It's a convention of journalistic writing to use a job title or occupation as though it were an honorific title (Mr. or Ms, etc.):
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[nq:1]Hello All: To me, a "the" before the "US ambassador" in the following text is needed. However, checking similar expressions ... airspace violation last week by US jets in Turkey's southeastern province of Hakkari bordering Iraq was due to pilot error.[/nq]
If the "the" is there, then "US Ambassador to Turkey" is a descriptor. Ideadlly, there should also be a comma following "Turkey" in t
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[nq:1]Hello All: To me, a "the" before the "US ambassador" in the following text is needed. However, checking similar expressions ... airspace violation last week by US jets in Turkey's southeastern province of Hakkari bordering Iraq was due to pilot error.[/nq]
Look at the other examples. Is it possible the other sources are using the phrase as a title (part of his name)? If so, then no artic
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[nq:2]Hello All: To me, a "the" before the "US ambassador" ... province of Hakkari bordering Iraq was due to pilot error.[/nq]
[nq:1]Look at the other examples. Is it possible the other sources are using the phrase as a title (part of ... to Turkey, Ross Wilson, stated on Monday. . . US Ambassador to Turkey Ross Wilson stated on Monday. . .[/nq]
Sorry? Your last example cites someone who i
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[nq:2]Look at the other examples. Is it possible the other ... Ambassador to Turkey Ross Wilson stated on Monday. . .[/nq]
[nq:1]Sorry? Your last example cites someone who is the ambassador to some place called Turkey Ross Wilson! The comma may ... seem so important if the word order were changed slightly .. Ross Wilson, US Ambassador to Turkey, stated .. ?[/nq]
The OP gave a word order an
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[nq:1]Hello All: To me, a "the" before the "US ambassador" in the following text is needed. However, checking similar expressions ... airspace violation last week by US jets in Turkey's southeastern province of Hakkari bordering Iraq was due to pilot error.[/nq]
There is only one US Ambassador to Turkey, so "the" is appropriate if it is being used as the subject of the verb (with the person's
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[nq:1]Hello All: To me, a "the" before the "US ambassador" in the following text is needed. However, checking similar expressions ... airspace violation last week by US jets in Turkey's southeastern province of Hakkari bordering Iraq was due to pilot error.[/nq]
"US Ambassador to Turkey" is his title.
Compare it ot the following sentences (note hoe the word "president"is capitalized or not
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Me? I don't think so. Sure you're not confusing me with someone else? Yourself perhaps?
[nq:1]Why did you not post your suggestion directly after the OP?[/nq]
Why? Is that a rule or something? Hang on then ..
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[nq:2]Hello All: To me, a "the" before the "US ambassador" ... province of Hakkari bordering Iraq was due to pilot error.[/nq]
[nq:1]Look at the other examples. Is it possible the other sources are using the phrase as a title (part of ... to Turkey, Ross Wilson, stated on Monday. . . US Ambassador to Turkey Ross Wilson stated on Monday. . .[/nq]
Sorry? Your last example cites someone who i
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[nq:1]Hello All: To me, a "the" before the "US ambassador" in the following text is needed. However, checking similar expressions ... airspace violation last week by US jets in Turkey's southeastern province of Hakkari bordering Iraq was due to pilot error.[/nq]
'The' is completely optional and a matter of taste in this example as far as I'm concerned. It's presence adds nothing and its absenc

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