The model of an addition operation is a general role in English

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Hello,I have a naive idea of that.Could any native speaker make a check and comment on them?In an addition operation:addend when considered as being talked about, we say the addend is added unto the augend (unto = for the attention of )augend when considered as being talked about, we say the augend is added to the addend (to = connected with)That model is so common in English.e.g.(1)   A state of war now exists between the two countries.("war" when considered as being talked about, we say "war" shows a state and the "of" means war is for making a state)("a state" when considered as being talked about, we say "a state" is with respect to and the "of" means "with resoect to")(2)  "it" when considered as being talked about, we say "I think it is of no use." ----"it" is causative verb agent and the "is" = has a quality of ---causative verb and "of no use" is causative verb sufferer. "no use" when considered as being talked about, we say "I think no use is for it." and the "is" = exists = secod-causative verb, "no use" becomes an on willing acceptor. and the "it" is secod-causative verb agent.Or we say I have no use for it.the "for" = with regard to that supports the "it" acts secod-causative verb agentThank you for your help.

AlpheccaStars · Accepted Answer

1) Unto does not mean "for the attention of" It has never had this definition. See this "learner's dictionary" for an explanation.
http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/unto

2) Augend and addend are specialized mathematical terms.
Augend is the first number in an addition problem. It is the base amount to be increased.
These terms were introduced into English from Latin around 1905-1910. "Unto" was not being used at that time; it was already archaic.
It is incorrect to mix terms in a sentence ( the addend is added unto the augend )when those terms were not in use contemporaneously.

3. That model is so common in English. No, for the reasons given above, it is not common at all; it is invalid.

bepleased(1) A state of war now exists between the two countries.("war" when considered as being talked about, we say "war" shows a state and the "of" means war is for making a state)

Your "analysis" is completely alien. It is incorrect and false.
"Of" has no active function in the sentence.
The sentence simply says that the two countries have declared war against each other.

bepleased"it" when considered as being talked about, we say "I think it is of no use." ----"it" is causative verb agent and the "is" = has a quality of ---causative verb and "of no use" is causative verb sufferer.

Is and exists are stative verbs, not causative verbs.

There is no such concept or terminology as "sufferer" or "acceptor" in conventional analysis of English sentences.
You can find sufferers as characters in tragic plays and Gothic novels. Aristotle gives a good description of the tragic hero in his "http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1974/1974-h/1974-h.htm".
You can find acceptors if you study electronics or chemistry..

I am sorry that you seem to be so completely befuddled by the English language.
You seem to have the idea that simple direct sentences obscure some deeper philosophical meaning, (A causing B, or A being a sufferer, or B willingly accepting some fate) where that is not the intention of the writer.

I think it (your type of English sentence analysis) is of no use.
You are wasting your time. Why don't you read a good book, learn some new (modern) vocabulary, or improve your communication skills instead? That would profit you immensely, since your level of writing modern English could be improved.

Bepleased · Answer

http://bible.cc/search.php?q=add+unto
2kings 20:6
And I will add unto thy days fifteen years; and I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.

Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the ...

... For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things, *** shall add unto him the plagues ...

AlpheccaStars · Answer

Bepleased;
I don't know how many times I have explained this to you, but here it is once more.

In 1604, King James I of England authorized that a new translation of the Bible into English be started. It was finished in 1611. The translators avoided contemporary (c. 1600) idioms, tending towards forms that were already slightly archaic. English has undergone rapid and distinctive changes in the past 400 years, so although unto is very prominent in this translation, it has virtually disappeared from the English we speak today. Other differences are the pronouns: thee, thy, thine, thou, mine (present day = my) and old verb inflections such as hath, sayeth, giveth. Unto has been replaced by the simple "to." If you don't believe me, just consult any of the modern Biblical translations: (eg. New International Version)

2kings 20:6
I will add fifteen years to your life. And I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria. I will defend this city for my sake and for the sake of my servant David.

Revelation 22:18
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, *** will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.

Have you seen the words augend and addend in the King James version of the Bible? I doubt you will find mention of them, since they did not occur in the language of 1600.

Today (2012) people would say:

Add the addend to the augend, and compute the sum.

Of course, no one would use these arcane mathematical terms; they would say, "Add the numbers together and compute the sum."

Bepleased · Answer

HI,

To...unto that has me get into the core of English and they like "Open sesame" to me.

That help me not to lose my feeling of phase.

e.g.

He laid claim to the land. -----claim unto the land;
claim is agent

She is always kind to animals. -----here, to = to -----animales are agent

the time of arrival -----of = to ----arrival is agent

within a mile of here ----of = to = in a direction continuing from ----here is agent

I took to Paul as soon as we met. ----to = unto my heart;
I is agent

the key to this lock ----to = unto = for / of used to show purpose -----key is agent

AlpheccaStars · Answer

To...unto ~~that~~ has let me get into the core of English and they are like the magic words "Open sesame" to me.
That helps me not to lose my feeling of phase. This is poorly stated. Perhaps, you mean it helps me to understand the language?

He laid claim to the land. -----claim unto the land -
No. "lay claim to" is a fixed expression. It means to tell everyone that it (the land) belongs to you. For example, in American history, there was a lot of vacant land in the west that no one owned. The government passed laws that if you "staked a claim" on some vacant land, built a house, and farmed it, then the land would be yours.
Unto does not work in this situation.

She is always kind to animals. -----here, to = to. Actually, in the days of King James' English, unto is OK. The pattern should be familiar to you:

" Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

the time of arrival -----of = to No.
For example, you are in the train station. You are waiting for the train. It is 9:00 am and the train will arrive at 9:30 am. The time to (the train's) arrival is 30 minutes. The time of (the train's) arrival is 9:30 am.

within a mile of here ----of = to No. "Within a mile to here" is incorrect.
within a mile of here - For example, draw a circle with a radius of one mile, where the center is where you are standing. If I am inside that circle, I am within a mile of you. From your perspective, I am within a mile of here.

Unless you learn modern English, your ability to communicate with other living English speakers will only lead to frustration.
You make many errors, and complicate your life by using antiquated words.
You don't even know how to use these old words correctly.

I recommend that if you read and study the Bible, for inspiration and to learn English, use a modern translation. Your rewards will be great. Here is a link for you:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=hebrews%2011:6&version=NIV

Khoff · Answer

bepleasedI have a naive idea of that.

You always say this, and yet your ideas are not at all naive. "Naive" suggests a viewpoint that is simpler than the reality. Your viewpoint is always infinitely more complicated than the reality!

Bepleased · Answer

He laid claim to the land. -----claim unto the land -
No. "lay claim to" is a fixed expression. It means to tell everyone that it (the land) belongs to you. For example, in American history, there was a lot of vacant land in the west that no one owned. The government passed laws that if you "staked a claim" on some vacant land, built a house, and farmed it, then the land would be yours.
Unto does not work in this situation.

No, in my opinion, he laid claim which is for the land = which is unto the land (the purpose or the object of the claim is for the land = the land belonging to the man who laid the claim)
----I have a right to the land. = I have a right reaching as far as the land. ----the land becomes acceptor of the right, so that means the land belongs to the man who has that right.
So, my way is even wth your way.

She is always kind to animals.
No, here the to is used to show the "to"(not "unto") on the conditin of King James Englh which means: "in connection with".
The most extreme meaning of this sentence is "No animals, no her bing kind."

Bepleased · Answer

the time of arrival -----of = to No.
For example, you are in the train station. You are waiting for the train. It is 9:00 am and the train will arrive at 9:30 am. The time to (the train's) arrival is 30 minutes. The time of (the train's) arrival is 9:30 am.

No, I am one with you in this example. But you mistake my "to" for the "unto".
"of = to " the "to" in King James English not in modern English, that menas the train's arrival relates to the time, the time connected with the train's arrival. (the "to" not the "unto")

within a mile of here ----of = to No. "Within a mile to here" is incorrect.
within a mile of here - For example, draw a circle with a radius of one mile, where the center is where you are standing. If I am inside that circle, I am within a mile of you. From your perspective, I am within a mile of here.
There is a similar mistake again. I am one with you about the meaning of the"of".
of = to in King James English, the "to" means the "off" / "from".

Bepleased · Answer

The "to" in modern English is attributed to the two words of the "to" and the "unto" in King James English.

The "to" and "unto" in King James English are different from each other.

The "to" is always being agent, and the "unto" acceptor.

The action A is for the purpose of B.
In King James, it is put this way: To the action A, unto the purpose of B. (A is agent, B is acceptor)

The cause A and the result B.
It is put this way: To the cause A, unto the result B. (A is agent, B is sufferer)

The result B and the reason A.
It is put this way: To the result B, unto the reason A. (B is agent, A is acceptor)

The reason A provides an explanation / excuse for the result B.
It is put this way: The reason A provides an explanation to the result B. (here, the "to" means with respect of / according to B) (B is agent, an explanation is acceptor)

AlpheccaStars · Answer

Sorry, bepleased, but your logic is faulty and even self contradictory.
According to you, A can be acceptor (indirect object, direct object?), agent (subject?), cause, reason, or action. B can be a purpose, a sufferer, agent, acceptor, or result.
This covers virtually every combination of the prepositions to, unto, or even until (Until is thought to be the origin of "unto")
Since it uses your own definitions (sufferer, agent), and applies only to a word that is not used in everyday English (unto), it has no practical usage for anyone except yourself.

The etymology of "unto"
unto - mid-13c., perhaps a modification of until, with southern to in place of northern equivalent till. Or perhaps a native formation on the model of until from O.E. *und- "up to," cognate of the first element in until. Since 18c., chiefly in dignified, archaic, or Biblical styles.\

Actually, in the KJV to and unto are used practically interchangeably - there seems to be no set definition. Unto is probably more numerous (my subjective sense). This changing usage, even within a few verses of each other, gives us a hint that the language was changing. The inconsistency might reflect a difference in the translators' usage. (It was a committee of translators that produced the KJV).

Take one chapter: 1 Corinthians 14:
1) to-unto, meaning "for the purpose of" or "leading to the result of")

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
26 ... Let all things be done unto edifying.

2) to -unto are used for the indirect object
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to ***.
Note that verse 28 uses the modern inflection of the verb "speak", combining that with the modern usage of "to."
And, lest you argue that to is for "***", I present 1 Corinthians 11:13:
13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto *** uncovered?

3) unto-for used in the modern sense of for
22. ....prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;
( Modern English - it is not permitted for them to speak)

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