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The Midlands/North division
A "just curious" accent question about Derbyshire.
I've just returned from a couple of days in the Matlock/Ashbourne area, which I assumed fell within the Midlands. It's only about 50 miles from Manchester, though indeed, I knew people in Manchester when I lived there 20 years ago who commuted from Derbyshire and that's definitely in "the North".
What struck me about the people I spoke with in Ashbourne was how "northern" their accents were much more like Lancashire than, say, Warwickshire.
Is this likely to be because I happened to speak with a bunch of incomers from Manchester, or does the Derbyshire accent usually sound more "Northern" than it does "Midlands"?
Cheers, Harvey
Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for 30 years;
Southern England for the past 22 years.
(for e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van)
I've just returned from a couple of days in the Matlock/Ashbourne area, which I assumed fell within the Midlands. It's only about 50 miles from Manchester, though indeed, I knew people in Manchester when I lived there 20 years ago who commuted from Derbyshire and that's definitely in "the North".
What struck me about the people I spoke with in Ashbourne was how "northern" their accents were much more like Lancashire than, say, Warwickshire.
Is this likely to be because I happened to speak with a bunch of incomers from Manchester, or does the Derbyshire accent usually sound more "Northern" than it does "Midlands"?
Cheers, Harvey
Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for 30 years;
Southern England for the past 22 years.
(for e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van)
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[nq:1]A "just curious" accent question about Derbyshire. I've just returned from a couple of days in the Matlock/Ashbourne area, which ... [/nq] Ah, so you were visiting ***'s country.
- [nq:1]A "just curious" accent question about Derbyshire.
- I've just returned from a couple of days in the Matlock/Ashbourne area, which ...
- [/nq] Ah, so you were visiting ***'s country.
- To answer part of your question: Derbyshire is the Midlands.
- The North starts at Sheffield, and the South is the other side of the Trent.
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[nq:1]A "just curious" accent question about Derbyshire. I've just returned from a couple of days in the Matlock/Ashbourne area, which ... with a bunch of incomers from Manchester, or does the Derbyshire accent usually sound more "Northern" than it does "Midlands"?[/nq]
Ah, so you were visiting ***'s country.
To answer part of your question: Derbyshire is the Midlands. The North starts at
Ah, so you were visiting ***'s country.
To answer part of your question: Derbyshire is the Midlands. The North starts at
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[nq:2]A "just curious" accent question about Derbyshire. I've just returned ... Derbyshire accent usually sound more "Northern" than it does "Midlands"?[/nq]
[nq:1]Ah, so you were visiting ***'s country. To answer part of your question: Derbyshire is the Midlands. The North starts ... should have known better. People from Derbyshire have no accent. Well, I do, because I've been away too long.
[nq:1]Ah, so you were visiting ***'s country. To answer part of your question: Derbyshire is the Midlands. The North starts ... should have known better. People from Derbyshire have no accent. Well, I do, because I've been away too long.
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[nq:1]Subject: The Midlands/North division From: Harvey Van Sickle What struck me about the people I spoke with in Ashbourne was ... with a bunch of incomers from Manchester, or does the Derbyshire accent usually sound more "Northern" than it does "Midlands"?[/nq]
I'm not sure about Ashbourne, but the Derby (town) accent is very individualistic and sounds to me like a scrambled mixture of Birm
I'm not sure about Ashbourne, but the Derby (town) accent is very individualistic and sounds to me like a scrambled mixture of Birm
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[nq:1]On 13 Oct 2004, Frances Kemmish wrote[/nq]
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[nq:2]Ah, so you were visiting ***'s country.[/nq]
(Sorry for the empty post; I was reading your response and inadvertently hit "send". As one does, sometimes...)
Dunno about ***, but it was a nice part of the country: I've earmarked it for another visit, but next time not on business.
[nq:2]To answer part of
[nq:2]Ah, so you were visiting ***'s country.[/nq]
(Sorry for the empty post; I was reading your response and inadvertently hit "send". As one does, sometimes...)
Dunno about ***, but it was a nice part of the country: I've earmarked it for another visit, but next time not on business.
[nq:2]To answer part of
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Harvey Van Sickle typed thus:
[nq:1]A "just curious" accent question about Derbyshire. I've just returned from a couple of days in the Matlock/Ashbourne area, which ... with a bunch of incomers from Manchester, or does the Derbyshire accent usually sound more "Northern" than it does "Midlands"?[/nq]
Ashbourne may be in the Midlands (just), but it is the very north of the Midlands, being le
[nq:1]A "just curious" accent question about Derbyshire. I've just returned from a couple of days in the Matlock/Ashbourne area, which ... with a bunch of incomers from Manchester, or does the Derbyshire accent usually sound more "Northern" than it does "Midlands"?[/nq]
Ashbourne may be in the Midlands (just), but it is the very north of the Midlands, being le
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[nq:1]On 13 Oct 2004, Harvey Van Sickle wrote[/nq]
[nq:2]On 13 Oct 2004, Frances Kemmish wrote[/nq]
[nq:1]snip (Sorry for the empty post; I was reading your response and inadvertently hit "send". As one does, sometimes...) Dunno ... and non-accented status, which group has the more obvious accent to your ear: people from Manchester or people from Warwickshire?[/nq]
Well, War
[nq:2]On 13 Oct 2004, Frances Kemmish wrote[/nq]
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Well, War
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[nq:2]Given your admirably neutral and non-accented status, which group has the more obvious accent to your ear: people from Manchester or people from Warwickshire?[/nq]
[nq:1]Well, Warwickshire covers a few different accents. I went to the University of Birmingham, and, in my three years there, ... this, but he is from somewhere in the West Midlands, so he obviously hears
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[nq:1]And Nottingham, despite Fran's protestations, is Northern.[/nq]
I know these things are subjective, but I protest at this one. Notts is Midlands. Hardly even north Midlands, at that.
Katy Jennison
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I know these things are subjective, but I protest at this one. Notts is Midlands. Hardly even north Midlands, at that.
Katy Jennison
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Wood Avens typed thus:
[nq:2]And Nottingham, despite Fran's protestations, is Northern.[/nq]
[nq:1]I know these things are subjective, but I protest at this one. Notts is Midlands. Hardly even north Midlands, at that.[/nq]
Goodness. If Nottingham is hardly North Midlands, and it's only 30 miles from Sheffield, is the North Midlands entirely bounded between these two cities? Or is Sheff
[nq:2]And Nottingham, despite Fran's protestations, is Northern.[/nq]
[nq:1]I know these things are subjective, but I protest at this one. Notts is Midlands. Hardly even north Midlands, at that.[/nq]
Goodness. If Nottingham is hardly North Midlands, and it's only 30 miles from Sheffield, is the North Midlands entirely bounded between these two cities? Or is Sheff
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[nq:1]On 13 Oct 2004, Frances Kemmish wrote[/nq]
[nq:1]snip[/nq]
[nq:2]Well, Warwickshire covers a few different accents. I went to ... so he obviously hears different differences (can I say that?)[/nq]
[nq:1]Sure you can: makes no difference to me! (Thanks to both you and David it sounds as if my ears weren't deceiving me all that much.)[/nq]
The rural Warwickshire acce
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[nq:2]Well, Warwickshire covers a few different accents. I went to ... so he obviously hears different differences (can I say that?)[/nq]
[nq:1]Sure you can: makes no difference to me! (Thanks to both you and David it sounds as if my ears weren't deceiving me all that much.)[/nq]
The rural Warwickshire acce
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