The meaning of "rogue learning"

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"But this educationsystem is still somewhat of a rogue learning, and it's not enough critical thinking taught"

In a passage, I encountered this phrase "rogue learning",shown above.I have googled it, but still can't find its actual meaning.

Here is a website for reference :http://www.roguelearner.com/aboutus.htm

Could you take some examples with the explanation?

Thanks

Chong

Avangi · Accepted Answer

chong"But this educationsystem is still somewhat of a rogue learning, and it's not enough critical thinking taught"

This is ungrammatical.

"Rogue" as an adjective usualy describes a single individual or entity which goes about its business in a way which is counter to conventional wisdom - a rebel.

It's sometimes applied to an animal which "should" belong to a herd, but choses to go off on its own, behaving somewhat anti-socially, even with hostility.

I think its meaning as applied to a non-conventional approach to educating special ed students should be clear.

Chong · Answer

Avangi:

Thanks a lot.

"But this education system is still somewhat of a rogue learning, and it's not enough critical thinking taught"

In the article in which the sentence appeared,it doesn't talk about "special students",but common education of China.

Can we defined the word "rogue" as "common people" or "mass"?

I am looking forward to further answers

Thanks again.

Best regards

Chong

Avangi · Answer

Hi, chong. Yes, I was confused, because there seemed to be two different references involved, and I didn't understand the relationship between them.

I recall seeing a film a few years back comparing the US and the Japanese approaches to basic public education. It was very critical of the US system, pointing out the "lack of critical thinking," and showing classroom examples of how the Japanese system is superior.

If the sentence you quote is referring to the Chinese public education system in general (which has to be huge) it could only be considered "a rogue learning" when compared to the collective educational wisdom of the whole world. And that seems strange indeed. That system seems to have produced some top notch scientists of late.

But "rogue" is not always a pejorative.
The internet reference you gave (about special ed kids) was touting the superiority of this "rogue" system.
The French expression "avant garde" is often used to describe a "brave" group of "rebels" who lead the way for the rest of us in "breaking new ground." We owe them a debt of gratitude.

Pter · Answer

Hi, Chong. You seem to be quoting two different and unrelated references. I assume that the second one is just a random one you found from Google.

The first one is a speech by Lee Kai-fu. He was born in Taiwan and worked for Google. I guess he might be talking about "rote learning". The one who recorded his speech might have been confused by Mr Lee's accent.

The second reference is about a special kind of education for students who don't quite fit into conventional educational systems.

Avangi · Answer

PterI guess he might be talking about "rote learning".

Thanks for shedding light on this, Pter. What you say rings a bell. I had often heard in my youth that traditional Chinese education made extensive use of memorization (eg. of poetry), and I used that idea with my own children when they were very young.
I was originally puzzled by the ungrammatical quality of the original excerpt, but now it all makes sense.

Best regards, - A.

Chong · Answer

Hi Pter & Avangi:

Thank you both

Yeah,you are right ,Pter . This sentence was really from Lee Kai Fu.It makes sense.

Avangi,in Chinese,as you haxe known,it is certainly that students must recite many things,like poems and articles,even remember a lot of things in English learning.Memorization is necessary, but if therwas too much of it, it would be positive. I wonder how the education is in your country.

Best wishes

Chong

Avangi · Answer

chongI wonder how the education is in your country.

Many, perhaps most, feel that over the years the quality of public education in the US has declined. Teachers have become unionized, and there's a lot of "politically correct" baggage, and concern that students should not feel badly when they fail to do the work. Both parents are forced to work, and often have little or no input into their children's education.

Regarding memorizing, most students memorize only what will enable them to pass the required exams. Teachers are increasingly forced (sometimes by legislation) to "teach to the tests." "Critical thinking," as alluded to in your references, is unknown, as far as I can determine.

Of course we have our share of brilliant kids, who get their motivation from *** knows where. We also have our share of brilliant and dedicated teachers. And there are sometimes special classes available for "exceptional" students.

But the statistics on dropouts and the numbers of kids who complete highschool and enter college are dismal.

Chong · Answer

Thanks Avangi

In China,there's something same to your country,but there still exists something different.

In the primary school,many of the students,about ten years old ,are forced by their parents to attend various studying out of school,such as English,maths of Olympic(it is even difficult for me),drawing things like that.These extra learnings take them a lot of leisure time.These purposes are not to fall behind and get high grades for exams,which is the only benchmark to assess them by school and parents.I've seem many clever students,who leave school for being weary of learning.

In university,as the numbers of graduates are rising greatly every year,most of them are competing for a good job.And some feel that what they are learning in school is not useful when they come to job.In fact,the quality of teaching and lack of good faculty are also problems.

There are still excellent universites to do well, however,not enough.

In my mind, I always think that the education in America is more flexible and effective.It seems that there are commom problems.But maybe we can still use for reference in some aspects.

Best regards

Chong

Anonymous · Answer

Hello chong.
Well actually,
Rogue learning is the type of learning in which students memorize the stuff they need to for examinations without understanding it.
That's it!
So the sentence basically means that the education system is much of a learning based one rather that one that makes students think.

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