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The definition of marriage
The big discussion about the definition of marriage involving the right of gay couples to become married is mostly involved with a Biblical statement. But civil marriage - which is what most gays seem to be seeking in order to participate in the civil rights of married couples is performed outside of religious institutions and therefor should not rely on religious definitions. Am I missing something?
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[nq:1]The big discussion about the definition of marriage involving the right of gay couples to become married is mostly involved ... married couples is performed outside of religious institutions and therefor should not rely on religious definitions. [/nq] The devil is in the details, but I agree that a civil union ("marriage" might not be the best word here, as it is traditionally applied to heterosexual unions) is what is usually sought to acquire certain rights and benefits ordinarily afforded heterosexual married couples.
- [nq:1]The big discussion about the definition of marriage involving the right of gay couples to become married is mostly involved ...
- married couples is performed outside of religious institutions and therefor should not rely on religious definitions.
- [/nq] The devil is in the details, but I agree that a civil union ("marriage" might not be the best word here, as it is traditionally applied to heterosexual unions) is what is usually sought to acquire certain rights and benefits ordinarily afforded heterosexual married couples.
- The details I'm referring to lie in the careful examination of those rights and the determination if each and every instance of them should be applicable equally to both types of unions.
- In other words, I don't believe that a blanket extension of all the rights that go with a heterosexual union should be afforded to a homosexual union without a careful reevaluation of each specific item of those rights.
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[nq:1]The big discussion about the definition of marriage involving the right of gay couples to become married is mostly involved ... married couples is performed outside of religious institutions and therefor should not rely on religious definitions. Am I missing something?[/nq]
The devil is in the details, but I agree that a civil union ("marriage" might not be the best word here, as it is t
The devil is in the details, but I agree that a civil union ("marriage" might not be the best word here, as it is t
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[nq:2]The big discussion about the definition of marriage involving the ... should not rely on religious definitions. Am I missing something?[/nq]
[nq:1]The devil is in the details, but I agree that a civil union ("marriage" might not be the best word ... particular group of people that are not in the mainstream of our society, as there are for other such groups.[/nq]
I appreciate the huma
[nq:1]The devil is in the details, but I agree that a civil union ("marriage" might not be the best word ... particular group of people that are not in the mainstream of our society, as there are for other such groups.[/nq]
I appreciate the huma
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[nq:1]The big discussion about the definition of marriage involving the right of gay couples to become married is mostly involved ... couples is performed outside of religious institutions and therefor should not rely on religious definitions. Am I missing something? S&[/nq]
That it's election year? BTW, over here a Christian (1) church wedding doesn't count as a marriage unless there is also
That it's election year? BTW, over here a Christian (1) church wedding doesn't count as a marriage unless there is also
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[nq:2]The devil is in the details, but I agree that ... of our society, as there are for other such groups.[/nq]
[nq:1]I appreciate the humane considerations and agree somewhat with the viewpoint, but my curiosity was more directed in why religious ... by "normal"you mean openly accepted. It is most probable that stable gay arrangements are a tradition thousands of years old[/nq]
As I said
[nq:1]I appreciate the humane considerations and agree somewhat with the viewpoint, but my curiosity was more directed in why religious ... by "normal"you mean openly accepted. It is most probable that stable gay arrangements are a tradition thousands of years old[/nq]
As I said
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[nq:1]In other words, I don't believe that a blanket extension of all the rights that go with a heterosexual union ... each specific item of those rights. There is a chance that some of them might not be appropriate or applicable.[/nq]
I'm hard pressed to think of any. What did you have in mind? There are things like taxation status of a couple acting as a family, rights to adopt one another's
I'm hard pressed to think of any. What did you have in mind? There are things like taxation status of a couple acting as a family, rights to adopt one another's
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[nq:1]Over here a Christian (1) church wedding doesn't count as a marriage unless there is also a representative there of ... And, of course, you can have the civil wedding without the church bit. Is it the same in the USA?[/nq]
Yes and no. Civil weddings without religious rituals are legal. Each state may have its quirks: the civil authority is usually an officeholding functionary but in Mass
Yes and no. Civil weddings without religious rituals are legal. Each state may have its quirks: the civil authority is usually an officeholding functionary but in Mass
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[nq:2]The big discussion about the definition of marriage involving the ... should not rely on religious definitions. Am I missing something?[/nq]
[nq:1]The devil is in the details, but I agree that a civil union ("marriage" might not be the best word ... particular group of people that are not in the mainstream of our society, as there are for other such groups.[/nq]
The only area I think
[nq:1]The devil is in the details, but I agree that a civil union ("marriage" might not be the best word ... particular group of people that are not in the mainstream of our society, as there are for other such groups.[/nq]
The only area I think
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[nq:2]In other words, I don't believe that a blanket extension ... that some of them might not be appropriate or applicable.[/nq]
[nq:1]I'm hard pressed to think of any. What did you have in mind?[/nq]
I have not really given it all that much thought, but see below.
[nq:1]There are things like taxation status of a couple acting as a family, rights to adopt one another's children, inher
[nq:1]I'm hard pressed to think of any. What did you have in mind?[/nq]
I have not really given it all that much thought, but see below.
[nq:1]There are things like taxation status of a couple acting as a family, rights to adopt one another's children, inher
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[nq:1]BTW, over here a Christian (1) church wedding doesn't count as a marriage unless there is also a representative there of the civil authority (from the Register Office) to complete the civil formalities.[/nq]
In Germany, the civil authority doesn't come to the church, you have to go to city hall separately. That's what I'd call separation of church and state.
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In Germany, the civil authority doesn't come to the church, you have to go to city hall separately. That's what I'd call separation of church and state.
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[nq:1]The big discussion about the definition of marriage involving the right of gay couples to become married is mostly involved ... couples is performed outside of religious institutions and therefor should not rely on religious definitions. Am I missing something? S&[/nq]
Conceivably the subject area of the group.
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