That or where?

0 "that" doesn't sound OK at all in your example... 0-

0 Thank you for your spontaneous reply. Then would it be possible to say, 02br
00"I've just found out the fact THAT a few patients made a full recovery even from the disease"? 0-

0Yes, that's quite possible 050010id1

0 Which also means a sentence such as the following is also possible, "I've been told the fact that patients have made a full recovery even after being clinically dead for well over ten minutes." 02br
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00Only the difference is that the one has an antecedent 'case' and the other has 'fact', which also means that it is an antecedent which determines when to use an appositi

0 I think in your example "I've been told (the fact) that...", "that" is not a relative, but a conjunction. 02br
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00In the example whith "case", it is: 02br
00the case (in which =) where 02br
00You can't say *the case in that. 02br
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00On the other hand, you can say: "it's the case (that) I studied last week"; here "that" is

0 I just screwed up here, there is no such thing as 'an antecedent for appositive-that'. What I mean is that the relationship between 'the fact' and 'that-clause' is appositive. And if you are allowed to use such words as 'fact' or 'situation' with 'that-clause', why not using 'case' with 'that-clause' and make them 'appositive'? 0-

0I'm not good at all with grammar explanations 05002br
00You'd better wait til a native sees your post. 02br
00All I can say is that when you describe a case, it's the case "in which" a patient etc etc, not the case that a patient... 02br
00Sorry I can't help you more... 010id7

0 Hi Infinity, 02br
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00I'm afraid this is one of those grammar "rules". 02br
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00Relative pronouns like who, which, that, can be used to join clauses, just like conjunctions. 02br
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00We can use "that" instead of "which" or "who(m)", but never instead of "when" or "where" 02br
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00Sorry about that. 05

0 Thanks, Abbie. I undersand that. Then let me turn the direction of my question around. What would be the concept behind your decision to choose 'WHERE' or 'in WHICH' when you connect two sentences such as "I've heard of a few cases" and "patients have made a full recovery even after being clinically dead for well over ten minutes"? 0-

0 Hi Infinity, 02br
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00Strictly speaking, "where" is used to introduce relative clauses after a noun referring to 01u00place02u02br
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00e.g. "Do you know a place where I can get coffee?" 02br
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00People do say "I've heard of a few cases 01u00where02u00 patients have made a full recover