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That deaf, [redacted]and blind kid

"We referred to Helen Keller as being deaf and dumb when she was primarily deaf and blind. The idiomatic term 'dumb' when applied to a speech disability is often now considered to be offensive"
Correction in The Guardian today
What "idiomatic term"? The primary meaning of "dumb" is "mute; unable to speak" and has been since it was brought into English from Old Norse.
(ObPCE: Should we expect The Guardian to apologise in a further correction for having used "deaf" and "blind" in this one?)

Ross Howard
  

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english: [nq:1]"We referred to Helen Keller as being deaf and dumb when she was primarily deaf and blind. The idiomatic term ... [/nq] I suppose it depends on what you mean by "primary" and your dialect, although what the Guardian may mean by "idiomatic" in this context is a mystery to me as well.

  • english: [nq:1]"We referred to Helen Keller as being deaf and dumb when she was primarily deaf and blind.
  • The idiomatic term ...
  • [/nq] I suppose it depends on what you mean by "primary" and your dialect, although what the Guardian may mean by "idiomatic" in this context is a mystery to me as well.
  • "Archaic" would have been more accurate.
  • In the American language, no one uses the word "dumb" except in the sense of lacking intellectual ability, and few understand it in any but that sense.
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In our last episode,
(Email Removed),
the lovely and talented Ross Howard
broadcast on alt.usage.english:
[nq:1]"We referred to Helen Keller as being deaf and dumb when she was primarily deaf and blind. The idiomatic term ... meaning of "dumb" is "mute; unable to speak" and has been since it was brought into English from Old Norse.[/nq]
I suppose it depends on what you mean by
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[nq:2]"We referred to Helen Keller as being deaf and dumb ... been since it was brought into English from Old Norse.[/nq]
[nq:1]I suppose it depends on what you mean by "primary" and your dialect, although what the Guardian may mean by ... person. In a phrase such as "dumb animal," "dumb" is no longer understood to refer to the inability to speak.[/nq]
Aren't Americans "struck dumb" by som
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[nq:1]By the same token, would it be offensive to refer to Tiny Tim as a "cripple", if that's what Dickens ... "negro", if "African-American" was not commonly used, if it had been coined at all, until several decades after his death?[/nq]
Now you've gone and wook up Ray Wise, one. But also you've been influenced by TCE there; in King's lifetime (at least his adult lifetime), the standard term
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[nq:2]By the same token, would it be offensive to refer ... been coined at all, until several decades after his death?[/nq]
[nq:1]Now you've gone and wook up Ray Wise, one. But also you've been influenced by TCE there; in King's lifetime ... would be offensive to refer to him as a "Negro" even though that was a polite term in the 'Sixties.[/nq]
That's the Ray Wise argument, but I disagree.

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