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Subject / Citizen / National
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I'm a Brit living in the US. I realize that I have only a limited understanding of the difference between being a subject, being a citizen and being a national of state.
E.g. I am a British Subject (I am British and so HM Queen Elizabeth II is my sovereign). My passport says that I am a British Citizen ... so I guess I must be! My nationality is British.
Can anyone add to my understanding, both in terms of usage and in terms of legal meaning?
Cheers
Den
I'm a Brit living in the US. I realize that I have only a limited understanding of the difference between being a subject, being a citizen and being a national of state.
E.g. I am a British Subject (I am British and so HM Queen Elizabeth II is my sovereign). My passport says that I am a British Citizen ... so I guess I must be! My nationality is British.
Can anyone add to my understanding, both in terms of usage and in terms of legal meaning?
Cheers
Den
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[nq:1]Group: I'm a Brit living in the US. I realize that I have only a limited understanding of the difference ... British.
- [nq:1]Group: I'm a Brit living in the US.
- I realize that I have only a limited understanding of the difference ...
- British.
- Can anyone add to my understanding, both in terms of usage and in terms of legal meaning?
- National means a citizen but it is most commonly used on folks out of their home country.
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[nq:1]Group: I'm a Brit living in the US. I realize that I have only a limited understanding of the difference ... British. Can anyone add to my understanding, both in terms of usage and in terms of legal meaning? Cheers Den[/nq]
Americans as we know are former subjects, people born here and immigants that have been naturalized are citizens,when you are a national it's usually bad as in three
Americans as we know are former subjects, people born here and immigants that have been naturalized are citizens,when you are a national it's usually bad as in three
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[nq:1]Group: I'm a Brit living in the US. I realize that I have only a limited understanding of the difference ... British. Can anyone add to my understanding, both in terms of usage and in terms of legal meaning? Cheers Den[/nq]
A "national" is, according to MWCD11, ""*1 :* one that owes allegiance to or is under the protection of a nation without regard to the more formal status of citizen o
A "national" is, according to MWCD11, ""*1 :* one that owes allegiance to or is under the protection of a nation without regard to the more formal status of citizen o
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[nq:1]I would think two examples of American nationals would be citizens of other countries who are now serving in the ... in refugee camps in Thailand. Some of them were born there, but Thailand does not consider them citizens, and they[/nq]
I wonder in how many countries one becomes a citizen by being born there. It wasn't universally true in the US until the 14th Amendment was passed. It's
I wonder in how many countries one becomes a citizen by being born there. It wasn't universally true in the US until the 14th Amendment was passed. It's
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[nq:1]I'm a Brit living in the US. I realize that I have only a limited understanding of the difference between being a subject, being a citizenand being a national of state.[/nq]
... witch Puts you well ahead of yoar Amerrican counterpars, Dan, becasue it is unlikley they have a limited understanding of ANNYTHING! hamerricans Hafe onley two statuses; Ammerican and Everbody else.
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... witch Puts you well ahead of yoar Amerrican counterpars, Dan, becasue it is unlikley they have a limited understanding of ANNYTHING! hamerricans Hafe onley two statuses; Ammerican and Everbody else.
[nq:1]E.g
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meirman typed thus:
[nq:2]I would think two examples of American nationals would be ... there, but Thailand does not consider them citizens, and they[/nq]
[nq:1]I wonder in how many countries one becomes a citizen by being born there. It wasn't universally true in the US until the 14th Amendment was passed. It's not true in Germany or Switzerland. Other than that, I don't know.[/nq]
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[nq:2]I would think two examples of American nationals would be ... there, but Thailand does not consider them citizens, and they[/nq]
[nq:1]I wonder in how many countries one becomes a citizen by being born there. It wasn't universally true in the US until the 14th Amendment was passed. It's not true in Germany or Switzerland. Other than that, I don't know.[/nq]
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[nq:1]meirman typed thus:[/nq]
[nq:2]I wonder in how many countries one becomes a citizen ... in Germany or Switzerland. Other than that, I don't know.[/nq]
[nq:1]This was true in the UK until 1983 IIRC. It is still true in Ireland, which creates an EU anomaly. ... right to live, work and vote in the UK (I think there's some disagreement about the status of the citizenship).[/nq]
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[nq:2]I wonder in how many countries one becomes a citizen ... in Germany or Switzerland. Other than that, I don't know.[/nq]
[nq:1]This was true in the UK until 1983 IIRC. It is still true in Ireland, which creates an EU anomaly. ... right to live, work and vote in the UK (I think there's some disagreement about the status of the citizenship).[/nq]
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Interesting comment - the Irish Constitution recognizes the diaspora.
E.g. my father is Irish (born in Ireland), I am (as well as being a Brit) therefore (under Irish law) an Irish Citizen. My children (when / if I have any) will be Irish Citizens from the time that I register their births with an Irish Embassy. Likewise their children will be Irish Citizens from the time that I register
E.g. my father is Irish (born in Ireland), I am (as well as being a Brit) therefore (under Irish law) an Irish Citizen. My children (when / if I have any) will be Irish Citizens from the time that I register their births with an Irish Embassy. Likewise their children will be Irish Citizens from the time that I register
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Thanks for the ... er ... comments.
As I understand the matter, the United Kingdom is a single entity that united a number of Kingdoms and Principalities. I may also be English, but that is not, in the formal sense, a nationality, any more than being a Londoner, Cornishman, Man of Kent or Kentish Man (depending on which side of the Medway you are from).
Also, as I understand it, you have y
As I understand the matter, the United Kingdom is a single entity that united a number of Kingdoms and Principalities. I may also be English, but that is not, in the formal sense, a nationality, any more than being a Londoner, Cornishman, Man of Kent or Kentish Man (depending on which side of the Medway you are from).
Also, as I understand it, you have y
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[nq:1]Group: I'm a Brit living in the US. I realize that I have only a limited understanding of the difference ... British. Can anyone add to my understanding, both in terms of usage and in terms of legal meaning? Cheers Den[/nq]
They're not exact synonyms. All mean that the person in question owes allegiance to the sovereign and receives the protection of the sovereign.
"Citizen" denotes
They're not exact synonyms. All mean that the person in question owes allegiance to the sovereign and receives the protection of the sovereign.
"Citizen" denotes
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[nq:1]Interesting comment - the Irish Constitution recognizes the diaspora. E.g. my father is Irish (born in Ireland), I am (as ... relationship to Ireland will be an Irish Citizen, and will be able to live, work and vote in the EU.[/nq]
Wasn't there purportedly accurate joking a few years ago that Bill Clinton was eligible to run for President? of Ireland? Because he is descended from at leas
Wasn't there purportedly accurate joking a few years ago that Bill Clinton was eligible to run for President? of Ireland? Because he is descended from at leas
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