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Onur2695 Posted 10 years ago
Grammar

Shall and other subjects

In grammar books, they say that you must use ''shall'' with subject I and We. Other subjects he,she,it,Michael etc are not okay to use with ''shall''

I know that shall is a kind form of will

I also know that should is a past form of shall(that was very big surprise for me)

In brief I know more or less about shall

I saw something like that it shall be done.

What is that ???
  

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onur2695 In grammar books, they say that you must use shall with subject I and We. Other subjects he,she,it,Michael etc are not okay to use with shall That was never true except for a minority of speakers of BrE. If you want to talk about volition or future certainty, use 'will' always.

— Fivejedjon

  • onur2695 In grammar books, they say that you must use shall with subject I and We.
  • Other subjects he,she,it,Michael etc are not okay to use with shall That was never true except for a minority of speakers of BrE.
  • If you want to talk about volition or future certainty, use 'will' always.
  • onur2695 I know that shall is a kind form of will It isn't.
  • 'Shall' and 'will' are separate modal verbs.
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onur2695In grammar books, they say that you must use shall with subject I and We. Other subjects he,she,it,Michael etc are not okay to use with shall
That was never true except for a minority of speakers of BrE. If you want to talk about volition or future certainty, use 'will' always.
onur2695I know that shall is a kind f
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fivejedjonThat was never true except for a minority of speakers of BrE.
It was very true in the early days when what most grammarians call the future tense developed. Will used to mean that the speaker wanted to do whatever he was going to do and therefore it was somehow considered more polite to use will in the second and third persons. On
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. . . an English cousin of mine, who has a PhD from Oxford University,. . .

Hi CB, are you sure it's not called a DPhil?
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CliveHi CB, are you sure it's not called a DPhil?
I'm not sure about anything, really. The man himself says he has a PhD from Oxford University, and I'm content with that. I'm not that interested in technicalities. If the term is incorrect, there's nothing much I can do about it, or need to do about it.

CB
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What is the difference between a DPhil and a PhD?
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"shall" is also encountered in formal instructions, explanations of obligations, and the like, such as in legal documents, where it is seen as carrying a greater force than "will". For example, "Both parties shall abide by the contract and shall refrain from revising, canceling, or terminating the contract without mutual consent" (randomly Googled example).
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A DPhil is what Oxford calls its PhD.

Just a little bit of trivia. Emotion: big smile
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BarbaraPAWhat is the difference between a DPhil and a PhD?
Doctor Phil is a TV personality who does on-the-fly psychiatry, isn't he?
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onur2695In grammar books, they say that you must use shall with subject I and We.
Emotion: surprise L
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The Canadian court-room oath is administered with not just one but two uses of 'shall'.

“Do you swear that the evidence you shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you ***?”
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