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Hi! everyone.Could you tell me what does this phrase mean?"The point is God. And everything besides God, is besides the point."Thanks!

Hiya11 · Accepted Answer

We don't say *** is one. There is only ***! Rather - *** is.

Hiya11 · Answer

*** is not what you can sense with your senses. *** is not any object of your perception. You cannot know ***.

Hiya11 · Answer

And one can further say they are not anything that they themself can sense! So either *** or You is not what you can know! So there's no sense in saying that You and *** are one or two or three or only You or only ***!

Meteorquake · Answer

"The point is ***. And everything besides ***, is besides the point."

The point = the main/important thing; here it plays on the fact that *** transcends dimension, as does a (perfect) point.
Besides the point = unimportant
Both of these are common expressions.

If it's being read in an Islamic context, then 'point' refers to the dot under the opening B of the opening word Bismillah, ie the meaning of the Quran is in its first Chapter, the meaning of that chapter is contained in its first sentence, its meaning in the first word, its in the first letter (B), and the meaning of that first letter in the dot (point) under it.
The idea being that the essence of the ocean is contained in any of its drops, and the essence and qualities of the whole of reality in the smallest point within it. Therefore in a sense the universe can be understood by understanding the point, just as creation can be understood by understanding the Creator.

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Silak12 · Answer

Hiya11And one can further say they are not anything that they themself can sense! So either *** or You is not what you can know! So there's no sense in saying that You and *** are one or two or three or only You or only ***!

Are you trying to tell me the meaning or disagreeing with this sentence?(The point is ***. And everything besides ***, is besides the point.)

Silak12 · Answer

meteorquakehere it plays on the fact that *** transcends dimension, as does a (perfect) point.

Please can you tell me what does this mean "*** transcends dimension",does it mean "*** is everywhere"?
and also tell me ,by saying "a point transcends dimension" what point are you talking about or how a point transcends dimension?

Meteorquake · Answer

Well a pure point is a concept: it doesn't have width, height or length; and so as with all ideal concepts it doesn't have an essential form in dimensional space.

'***' likewise doesn't have width, length or height, and the same follows.

I hope that makes it a little clearer

Your original quote is a play on words, and how deeply or shallowly the idea of a point is intended, will depend on the philosophical depth of the author using it.

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Silak12 · Answer

And for the last time,could you tell me the central idea of this sentence(in more simple words) ?(I would be much obliged)  What is it implying?

Meteorquake · Answer

I suspect it will lead different people to different conclusions.

But it may be hard to explain in simple words, and these words may end up more difficult than the last.

For some people, thinking about concepts creates a universe of concepts, distinct from the material world. Clearly (because concepts lack width, height, length), it is not a universe that is 'outside' or 'inside' the material world, but 'distinct', so you could see it as 'everywhere' or 'nowhere' equally; rather how people depict '***'. Some would see '***' as the origin of concepts.

The law of gravity for example, as far as we can see, operates uniformly across the universe, it seems the universe is just a single point sitting in its hand. One can imagine of gravity, that whatever 'enforces' it, seeing the universe as a point, is somehow 'outside' the universe of matter. So you could say that if you are a point, then you view the universe as a point.

Consciousness, likewise, isn't something that will result from senseless robotics, such as matter, but consciousness understands concepts with feeling, and sees meaning when it sees a million points of colour (such as a painting). When you spend time looking deeply at the details, it becomes very difficult to see consciousness as the result of unconscious brain cells put in a line, much as a thousand children, each holding up a letter of the alphabet, will not understand the poem that these thousand letters make. You need an observer which can see the whole - much like the 'point' that sees all things as a single point.

So the idea of a 'point' implies many things to many people, and I suppose it depends on how deeply you try to think about it, what conclusions you come to, but many of them are ideas related to the original question of *** being the 'point'.

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Silak12 · Answer

Thanks for your precious time sir.

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