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Anonymous Posted 18 years ago
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Self-interest, or rather self-love

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Self-interest, or rather self-love, or egoism, has been more plausibly substituted as the basis of morality. But I consider our relations with others as constituting the boundaries of morality. With ourselves, we stand on the ground of identity, not of relation, which last, requiring two subjects, excludes self-love confined to a single one. To ourselves, in strict language, we can owe no duties, obligation requiring also two parties. Self-love, therefore, is no part of morality. Indeed, it is exactly its counterpart.

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With ourselves, we stand on the ground of identity, not of relation, which last, requiring two subjects, excludes self-love confined to a single one. To ourselves, in strict language, we can owe no duties,

What does he mean by last???

By "single one" does he refer to oneself?
  

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Full extract: Self-interest, or rather self-love, or egoism, has been more plausibly substituted as the basis of morality. But I consider our relations with others as constituting the boundaries of morality. With ourselves, we stand on the ground of identity, not of relation, which last, requiring two subjects, excludes self-love confined to a single one.

  • Full extract: Self-interest, or rather self-love, or egoism, has been more plausibly substituted as the basis of morality.
  • But I consider our relations with others as constituting the boundaries of morality.
  • With ourselves, we stand on the ground of identity, not of relation, which last, requiring two subjects, excludes self-love confined to a single one.
  • To ourselves, in strict language, we can owe no duties, obligation requiring also two parties.
  • Self-love, therefore, is no part of morality.
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Full extract:

Self-interest, or rather self-love, or egoism, has been more plausibly substituted as the basis of morality. But I consider our relations with others as constituting the boundaries of morality. With ourselves, we stand on the ground of identity, not of relation, which last, requiring two subjects, excludes self-love confined to a single one. To ourselves, in strict language
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Can you say which first, which second, which third, etc????
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Hi again,
No, don't say that. It's not idiomatic.

I hope you won't be offended if I point out that you have said neither 'please' nor 'thank you' so far.

Clive
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Thank you.

However, I have another question.

Are which first and which last idiomatic???
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Hi,
You're welcome.

'Which first' is not idiomatic. And 'which last' seems literary and even rather old-fashioned. People ceratinly don't go around talking like that today.

Don't forget that Jefferson wrote this letter a long time ago.

Best wishes again, Clive
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A game of chess is a finite sequence of states of which first is the initial state, the last is a terminal state, an each state-transition is permissible. Two games are formally identical if they are identical state by state.

Are you sure which first is not idiomatic?
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Hi,

A game of chess is a finite sequence of states of which first is the initial state, the last is a terminal state, an each state-transition is permissible. Two games are formally identical if they are identical state by state.

Are you sure which first is not idiomatic?

This is a different kind of syntax which does not even use the term we were originally
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Ok, thanks.

I find it extremely annoying though, that you can't say anything that refers to what I want.
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Wait, can you say "the first of which" instead of which first?

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