Scientologists -- They Fight Hitler!

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I think that this is shaping up to be a ahem big bomb.

Even in the trailer, Cruise's performance comes across as unpersuasive, plus it's a very difficult story to find a real handle on. We know that the conspiracy fails. Everyone's caught. Everyone gets killed. The progress of the war isn't ultimately affected by it.

So in the shadow of that knowledge what do you hang your hat on as you watch this thing? At best it comes down to some people who take a stand against evil and then they get killed but at least they did the right thing. The End. Plus Tom Cruise's performance wasn't great but he's surrounded by great English Actors so let's give him a pass.

No. I don't see it doing well.
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[nq:1]I think that this is shaping up to be a ahem big bomb. Even in the trailer, Cruise's ... he's surrounded by great English Actors so let's give him a pass. No. I don't see it doing well. NMS[/nq]
Last I heard it's been delayed - again. Apparently, among other things, Cruise's accent is emabarassingly on-again off-again, so I suppose they're doing a lot of ADR with a dialogue coach riding shotgun, which only rarely results in a wonderfully nuanced performance.

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[nq:1]I think that this is shaping up to be a ahem big bomb. Even in the trailer, Cruise's ... but he's surrounded by great English Actors so let's give him a pass. No. I don't see it doing well.[/nq]
He completely lacks the gravitas the part requires. Utterly lightweight.

The guy who should have played the part, Sebastian Koch, in fact already has... in German. No word on whether he speaks (or acts in) English:
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1832884224/nm0462407
He has all the attributes needed.

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[nq:2]I think that this is shaping up to be a ... him a pass. No. I don't see it doing well.[/nq]
[nq:1]He completely lacks the gravitas the part requires. Utterly lightweight. The guy who should have played the part, Sebastian Koch, in fact already has... in German. No word on whether he speaks (or acts in) English: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1832884224/nm0462407 He has all the attributes needed.[/nq]
Here's a picture of Koch as Stauffenberg. Even in one still image he has more authority than Cruise has in the all moving pictures you can image.
http://snipurl.com/28vd5

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[nq:1]I think that this is shaping up to be a ahem big bomb. Even in the trailer, Cruise's ... he's surrounded by great English Actors so let's give him a pass. No. I don't see it doing well. NMS[/nq]
I dunno, they might add a 15-minute scene at the end where Hitler *** von Stauffenberg in the ***, directed by Vincent Gallo. That'd turn a few people out.

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[nq:1]Last I heard it's been delayed - again. Apparently, among other things, Cruise's accent is emabarassingly on-again off-again, so I suppose they're doing a lot of ADR with a dialogue coach riding shotgun, which only rarely results in a wonderfully nuanced performance.[/nq]
It didn't sound to me like he was even making the effort to have an accent, just his regular speaking voice. Poor Tommy. If it doesn't hit this'll just kill UA all over again.

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[nq:1]I think that this is shaping up to be a ahem big bomb. Even in the trailer, Cruise's ... he's surrounded by great English Actors so let's give him a pass. No. I don't see it doing well. NMS[/nq]
Kenneth Branaugh plays a mean ****. Did you see him as Heydrich in that film about the Wansee Conference? Fantastic.
A lot of people will go to this film feeling it's Important History.

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[nq:2]I think that this is shaping up to be a ... a pass. No. I don't see it doing well. NMS[/nq]
[nq:1]Kenneth Branaugh plays a mean ****. Did you see him as Heydrich in that film about the Wansee Conference? Fantastic. A lot of people will go to this film feeling it's Important History.[/nq]
A lot of people will go to it thinking it's along the lines of "Where Eagles Dare." Whether it lives up to that or not, I don't know. But I would certainly like to see the original German film.

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[nq:2]Kenneth Branaugh plays a mean ****. Did you see him ... people will go to this film feeling it's Important History.[/nq]
[nq:1]A lot of people will go to it thinking it's along the lines of "Where Eagles Dare." Whether it lives up to that or not, I don't know. But I would certainly like to see the original German film.[/nq]
The original German Wannsee film is excellent, and the English-language version is pretty much a carbon copy (except of course for the cast and the language).
I would like to see the German Hitler Bomb pl to film with Sebastian Koch maybe it's available for download somewhere. My German is rudimentary at best, but I don't suppose it has to be all that great to understand what's going on there...
By the way, surprised no one has mentioned Night of the Generals doesn't that include the bomb plot it's not central, but I seem to remember it is there. Good film altogether, though the lighting and cinematography are kind of lurid and ugly.

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[nq:1]By the way, surprised no one has mentioned Night of the Generals doesn't that include the bomb plot it's not central, but I seem to remember it is there. Good film altogether, though the lighting and cinematography are kind of lurid and ugly.[/nq]
I don't believe The Night of the Generals has anything to do with the plot to kill Hitler. I saw it when I was a boy. It's an OK but rather draggy IMHO murder mystery set in ****-occupied Warsaw, with Peter O'Toole and Tom Courtenay only managing to make it feel heavier.

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