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JungKim Posted 14 years ago
Grammar

same old tired what-clause?

Can what-relative clause be modified by adjectives? "Disappointedly, it seems that the navigation head units are the same old tired what we've been seeing for years in Hondas."
See the link below at around 1:29 into the video:
http://cnettv.cnet.com/2011-honda-cr-z/9742-1_53-50082110.html
  

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Some adjectives take a wh-clause as complementation: He is careful (about) what he does with his money. I was doubtful whether I should stay . (R Quirk)

  • Some adjectives take a wh-clause as complementation: He is careful (about) what he does with his money.
  • I was doubtful whether I should stay .
  • (R Quirk)
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Some adjectives take a wh-clause as complementation: He is careful (about) what he does with his money. I was doubtful whether I should stay . (R Quirk)
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Hi,

No, that's just a journalist trying to create casual and mildly amusing English.

Clive
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JungKimthe same old tired what we've been seeing for years in Hondas.
It's anomalous. It's very casual and seems to be an attempt to be creative and clever with grammatical structure. I don't recommend imitating it.

CJ
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CliveNo, that's just a journalist trying to create casual and mildly amusing English.
But what's wrong with being "casual and mildly amusing"?
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Hi,

I didn't intend to suggest that it was a sin..
It's just not standard, and I wouldn't encourage learners of English to write that way..

Clive
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JungKimCan what-relative clause be modified by adjectives? "Disappointedly, it seems that the navigation head units are the same old tired what we've been seeing for years in Hondas."
If you listen really carefully (turn the volume up high), you'll find that the reporter actually says "...the same old tired one
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BillJIf you listen really carefully (turn the volume up high), you'll find that the reporter actually says "...the same old tired one we've been seeing for years in Hondas."
Now I've listened again, and it certainly sounds like "one" as opposed to "what".
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In full, I think he actually says "Disappointingly, it seems that the navigation head unit's a same old tired one we've been seeing for years in Hondas. We had hoped for a new revised one." So it's the contraction unit's (i.e. unit is), not plural units.

That would make sense because there can only be one navigation unit in a car.

BillJ

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