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Angliholic Posted 19 years ago
Grammar

Sam is the very most diligent student in the class.

Sam is the very most diligent student in the class.

Sam is much the most diligent student in the class.

Sam is by far the most diligent student in the class.

Do all of the above mean exactly the same to you? Thanks.
  

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Angliholic Sam is the very most diligent student in the class. Sam is much the most diligent student in the class. Sam is by far the most diligent student in the class.

  • Angliholic Sam is the very most diligent student in the class.
  • Sam is much the most diligent student in the class.
  • Sam is by far the most diligent student in the class.
  • Do all of the above mean exactly the same to you?
  • Thanks.
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AngliholicSam is the very most diligent student in the class.

Sam is much the most diligent student in the class.

Sam is by far the most diligent student in the class.

Do all of the above mean exactly the same to you? Thanks.

To me, only sentence 3 is correct.
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Yes, 3 is the most natural.
2 could be accepted by some, see at the NYT:

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Marius HancuYes, 3 is the most natural.
2 could be accepted by some, see at the NYT:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Anytimes.com+%22is+much+the+most%22&btnG=Search

Thanks, Yoo
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Angliholic
Marius HancuYes, 3 is the most natural.
2 could be accepted by some, see at the NYT:



Thanks, Yoong and Marius.

But my grammar book states that all of them are valid, so are you sure what you said. Or is it my grammar book is out of date?

Is the writer of the book a native
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Hi Angliholic

Sam is the very most diligent student in the class. (It should be Sam is the most diligent student in the class. dilgent more diligent most diligent You cannot say very most diligent.)

Take another example. He the most hard-working boy.

Can you write "He the very most hard-working boy." ?

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Thanks, Yoong.

I think it's a pretty old-fashioned pattern, yet it sounds not so bad to my ear.
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AngliholicThanks, Yoong.

I think it's a pretty old-fashioned pattern, yet it sounds not so bad to my ear.

Hi Angliholic

To me, it is a very bad mistake, and sounds wrong to my Singaporean ear.
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Hi Angliholic

You haven't told me whether the writer of the book is a native speaker of English? I'm just curious.

Best wishes
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Hi guys,

He is the very most hard-working boy.

I wouldn't say it's wrong, although I'd probably agree that it sounds old-fashioned.

The 'very' intensifies the superlative.

Consider 'He is the very best student in the class'.

Clive
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Clive
Hi guys,

He is the very most hard-working boy.

I wouldn't say it's wrong, although I'd probably agree that it sounds old-fashioned.

The 'very' intensifies the superlative.

Consider 'He is the very best student in the class'.

Clive

Hi Clive

I agree it is very old-fashioned

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