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Saloon Vs. Salon
My first language is Tamil. I had some problems when I contributed to the "Indian English" topic at
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In India, most of the people use the word "Saloon" to refer to the "barbershop". So, my understanding is that it is misspelt for "Salon". The dictionaries that I looked up agrees with me (attached below the result). But, someone there who has exposure to Western culture says it is also misspelt in Euro-American culture and so it is not an Indian err which is hard for me to agree. Could someone please help? If you answer, please tell me about your English (AmE or BrE...). TIA
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Dictionary results:
Saloon: http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn2.0?stage=1&word=saloon
1. barroom, bar, saloon, ginmill, taproom (a room or establishmentwhere alcoholic drinks are served over a counter; "he drowned his sorrows in whiskey at the bar")
2. public house, pub, saloon, pothouse, gin mill, taphouse (tavernconsisting of a building with a bar and public rooms; often provides light meals)
Salon: http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn2.0?stage=1&word=salon
1. salon (gallery where works of art can be displayed)
2. salon, beauty salon, beauty parlor, beauty parlour, beauty shop (a shop where hairdressers and beauticians work)
3. salon (elegant sitting room where guests are received) 8<
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In India, most of the people use the word "Saloon" to refer to the "barbershop". So, my understanding is that it is misspelt for "Salon". The dictionaries that I looked up agrees with me (attached below the result). But, someone there who has exposure to Western culture says it is also misspelt in Euro-American culture and so it is not an Indian err which is hard for me to agree. Could someone please help? If you answer, please tell me about your English (AmE or BrE...). TIA
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Dictionary results:
Saloon: http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn2.0?stage=1&word=saloon
1. barroom, bar, saloon, ginmill, taproom (a room or establishmentwhere alcoholic drinks are served over a counter; "he drowned his sorrows in whiskey at the bar")
2. public house, pub, saloon, pothouse, gin mill, taphouse (tavernconsisting of a building with a bar and public rooms; often provides light meals)
Salon: http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn2.0?stage=1&word=salon
1. salon (gallery where works of art can be displayed)
2. salon, beauty salon, beauty parlor, beauty parlour, beauty shop (a shop where hairdressers and beauticians work)
3. salon (elegant sitting room where guests are received) 8<
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" My first language is Tamil. I had some problems when I contributed to the "Indian English" topic at . shop (a shop where hairdressers and beauticians work) 3.
- " My first language is Tamil.
- I had some problems when I contributed to the "Indian English" topic at .
- shop (a shop where hairdressers and beauticians work) 3.
- salon (elegant sitting room where guests are received) 8 Does that answer your question?
- Best wishes Donna Richoux
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My first language is Tamil. I had some problems when I contributed to the "Indian English" topic at . ... shop (a shop where hairdressers and beauticians work) 3. salon (elegant sitting room where guests are received) 8Does that answer your question?
Best wishes Donna Richoux
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[nq:1]d chiefly British : SALON 4 2 : SALON 2[/nq]
Strange - here in Britain, the only common meaning of "saloon" is a style of car (US: "sedan"). Though we do have "saloon bar", the posh bit of a pub, though I'm not sure how many pubs actually have such a thing these days.
Maybe "saloon" and "salon" were synonyms once upon a time. But long before mine.
Stewart.
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Strange - here in Britain, the only common meaning of "saloon" is a style of car (US: "sedan"). Though we do have "saloon bar", the posh bit of a pub, though I'm not sure how many pubs actually have such a thing these days.
Maybe "saloon" and "salon" were synonyms once upon a time. But long before mine.
Stewart.
My e-mail is v
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[nq:1][/nq]
[nq:2]d chiefly British : SALON 4 2 : SALON 2[/nq]
[nq:1] Strange - here in Britain, the only common meaning of "saloon" is a style of car (US: "sedan"). Though ... have such a thing these days. Maybe "saloon" and "salon" were synonyms once upon a time. But long before mine.[/nq]
And today "saloon" is virtually extinct in AmE, except as a jocular description of a bar or tav
[nq:2]d chiefly British : SALON 4 2 : SALON 2[/nq]
[nq:1] Strange - here in Britain, the only common meaning of "saloon" is a style of car (US: "sedan"). Though ... have such a thing these days. Maybe "saloon" and "salon" were synonyms once upon a time. But long before mine.[/nq]
And today "saloon" is virtually extinct in AmE, except as a jocular description of a bar or tav
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[nq:2] Strange - here in Britain, the only common ... were synonyms once upon a time. But long before mine.[/nq]
[nq:1]And today "saloon" is virtually extinct in AmE, except as a jocular description of a bar or tavern of yesteryear, as in a Western.[/nq]
Or as a name for a watering hole in some Western towns (Livermore Saloon, for instance a place where I have spent a considerable amount
[nq:1]And today "saloon" is virtually extinct in AmE, except as a jocular description of a bar or tavern of yesteryear, as in a Western.[/nq]
Or as a name for a watering hole in some Western towns (Livermore Saloon, for instance a place where I have spent a considerable amount
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[nq:2]And today "saloon" is virtually extinct in AmE, except as a jocular description of a bar or tavern of yesteryear, as in a Western.[/nq]
[nq:1]Or as a name for a watering hole in some Western towns (Livermore Saloon, for instance a place where I have spent a considerable amount ofhours).[/nq]
As in, "never will I see my liver more?"
[nq:1]Or as a name for a watering hole in some Western towns (Livermore Saloon, for instance a place where I have spent a considerable amount ofhours).[/nq]
As in, "never will I see my liver more?"
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[nq:2] Strange - here in Britain, the only common ... were synonyms once upon a time. But long before mine.[/nq]
[nq:1]And today "saloon" is virtually extinct in AmE, except as a jocular description of a bar or tavern of yesteryear, as in a Western.[/nq]
South African trains of yesteryear had dining saloons, but I think privatisation put paid to that.
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, So
[nq:1]And today "saloon" is virtually extinct in AmE, except as a jocular description of a bar or tavern of yesteryear, as in a Western.[/nq]
South African trains of yesteryear had dining saloons, but I think privatisation put paid to that.
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, So
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[nq:2] Strange - here in Britain, the only common ... were synonyms once upon a time. But long before mine.[/nq]
[nq:1]And today "saloon" is virtually extinct in AmE, except as a jocular description of a bar or tavern of yesteryear, as in a Western.[/nq]
Agreed. When I hear "saloon" I think of a place where duel proposals are made; a bar in the "Wild West."
Also, if you lived in the 1
[nq:1]And today "saloon" is virtually extinct in AmE, except as a jocular description of a bar or tavern of yesteryear, as in a Western.[/nq]
Agreed. When I hear "saloon" I think of a place where duel proposals are made; a bar in the "Wild West."
Also, if you lived in the 1
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[nq:2]And today "saloon" is virtually extinct in AmE, except as a jocular description of a bar or tavern of yesteryear, as in a Western.[/nq]
It may be a little-known fact that on ships of the US merchant marine the saloon is the dining area for the ship's officers. Anyway, it was still invariably called that as late as 1946 when I was last aboard a merchant ship.
That meaning is said
It may be a little-known fact that on ships of the US merchant marine the saloon is the dining area for the ship's officers. Anyway, it was still invariably called that as late as 1946 when I was last aboard a merchant ship.
That meaning is said
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Despite a lifetime of pubbing, I've never quite got my head round the names for pub rooms.
These terms are (sadly) going out of use today, with the rise of the "one big room serving expensive lager and alcopops" type of pub, but I recall something like this:
The basic divide was between the the "bar" and the "lounge".
The bar would be fairly basic (no carpets, etc.), and frequente
These terms are (sadly) going out of use today, with the rise of the "one big room serving expensive lager and alcopops" type of pub, but I recall something like this:
The basic divide was between the the "bar" and the "lounge".
The bar would be fairly basic (no carpets, etc.), and frequente
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That chimes with architectural plans and the often-noted survival in AmEng of older English usages "saloon" is a common 18th-century designation for one of the drawing rooms found in large houses.
(I've been working on the history of such a room dating to c.1780 it was (and still is) highly decorated, and was obviously a showpiece room within the house.)
Cheers, Harvey
Ottawa
(I've been working on the history of such a room dating to c.1780 it was (and still is) highly decorated, and was obviously a showpiece room within the house.)
Cheers, Harvey
Ottawa
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