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tinanam0102 Hi teachers,1. The meeting ran over by 30 minutesIs 'by' necessary? And is the phrasal verb transitive or intransitive?2. Are the following the sameThe meeting ran over the expected timeThe meeting overrun the expected timeThank youTN

Yes it is necessary. It is intransitive because there is no object.

"run over" has a different meaning.

tinanam01021. The meeting ran over by 30 minutesIs 'by' necessary? And is the phrasal verb transitive or intransitive?

You need the "by" for idiom and because without it, the meeting lasted longer than 30 minutes. "Ran over" in the sense "exceeded the expected duration" is intransitive.

tinanam0102The meeting ran over the expected timeT

Hi AlpheccaStars, hi enoon,

Thanks for answering my post. I just need to check my understanding.

1. You ran over 100 minutes on your cell. Does this mean you could have talked 106 minutes and it is not the idiom?
2. You ran over by 100 minutes on your cell. Does this mean you talked exactly 100 minutes exceeding the limit, and it's an idiom?

Thanks

I didn't mean that the phrasal verb was an idiomatic expression. I meant that idiom demands "by" there.

tinanam01021. You ran over 100 minutes on your cell. Does this mean you could have talked 106 minutes and it is not the idiom?

I don't think that's the phrasal verb. It means that you used more than 100 minutes, with the implication that 100 is some sort of li

Hi enoon,

What is the difference between phrasal verb and idiom? I seem to think they are the same.

Thanks
TN

tinanam0102Hi enoon,What is the difference between phrasal verb and idiom? I seem to think they are the same.ThanksTN

It's a confusing issue, and people disagree on the terminology. When I say idiom, I mean that element of English that has to do with what sounds right.

Hi enoon,

Thank you for your help.

TN