"I would never" have or had known?

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01cite10Jadarite12cite10Which is correct, or are both correct?12br
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0"WOULD" is a modal verb.02br
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0 00Google brought up some interesting results:02br
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00Results 1 - 10 of about 73,600 for "I would never have known".02br
00Results 1 - 10 of about 97,100 for "I would never had known".02br
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01cite10Jadarite12cite10Google brought up some interesting results:12br
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10Results 1 - 10 of about 73,600 for "I would never have known".12br
10Results 1 - 10 of about 97,100 for 10"I would never had known".12br
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0 Concerning the Google results: Absolutely astonishing! More people use the wrong version than the correct version! It is even difficult to understand what is going on there linguistically -- what confusions are happening in so many people's minds. 02br
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I just came across this on the New York Times: 'Had I not seen the hellhole of Hue in wartime I would never had understood its achievement in a time of peace'

Shouldn't it be 'I would never HAVE understood?

I'm confused...

You seem clear enough to me! I'd say you're right on! [Y]

It does seem strange, although I understand the print media are strapped for cash these days.
They probably had to lay off their editors and use the Japanese method of self-inspection, which we used to hear about in industry in the 60's.

Was this sentence quoting another person?

"I would never" have or had known?

HKGARY"WOULD" is a modal verb.
We must use a verb with "infinitive form" after a "modal verb."

This "principle" is far too vague and general to have any application in this thread. "Would" has many uses.

I would like to have known about this before!

Next time, I would prefer knowing in a

AvangiI would like to have known about this before!
Next time, I would prefer knowing in advance!

It's not I would liking, nor I would liked, nor I would likes, is it? When is a modal (can, could, will, would, ...) followed by anything but the base form (infinitive form) -- not counting a possi

JadariteGoogle brought up some interesting results:Results 1 - 10 of about 73,600 for "I would never have known".

Results 1 - 10 of about 97,100 for "I would never had known".

This result may have something to do with the widespread but wrong belief that tenses in an English sentence should match. Since "would" can be past tense, people may