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Question A-make:(1)Is it correct with the structure of ’make something/sudject of’ ,meaning that causessomething to be something ?For instance:1.Don’t make a habit of smoking = don’t make smoking a habit,is it correct ?2.He always makes a terrifying mess of any affair in the end = He always makes any  affair a terrifying mess in the end,is it correct ?3.It’s important to try make something different of your life = It’s important to try make your life someting different,is it correct ?4.I’ll make cleaning the house my chore tomorrow = I’ll make my work of cleaning theHouse tomorrow,is it correct ?Could I use 'let' to replace 'make' in these sentences ?CalifJim "Within minutes he had the whole audience laughing and clapping."Is it fine all right if I rewrite the above sentence with 'made' and 'got' in this way as follows:"Within minutes he made the whole audience laugh and clap."  Not good.  He did not say, "You must laugh and clap or I will punish you".  That would be "making them laugh and clap"."Within minutes he got the whole audience to laugh and clap."  OK.  He succeeded in his attempts to cause them to laugh and clap.From  (2)From the thread above that I guess that make means to force/cause someone todo something on purpose .However if it goes with this meaning,then :Don’t make her cry.Meaning that someone asks the other not to say:”You must cryor I will punish you!”,isn’t it odd ?He made me laugh,it implies that he said: “You must laugh now!” and I obeyed his orderto laugh,instead I laughed because of he said some jokes or something he did,probably.Isn’t very odd ?Or I’ve got your meaning wrong,actually? Please correct me if I’m wrong,thanks.(3)Make is in higher register suggests that it is more appropriate in formal writting than get ?CalifJim made the house cleaned does not work.  No.  Generally speaking, make doesn't work with past participles like cleaned, though there are exceptions.You can't say make the furniture polished, make the house painted, make the window opened, and similar combinations.  What are the exceptions,could you tell me ?So that I cannot say thatthe painter is now making the wall painted with white colour,andMy mum was making the bed washed at the yesterday afternoon .While getting and having instead ?To be continued.

CalifJim · Accepted Answer

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a habit, is it Not a habit,is it

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Is it correct? Not Is it correct ?

1.Don’t make a habit of smoking = don’t make smoking a habit,is it correct ? OK.
2.He always makes a terrifying mess of any affair in the end = He always makes any
affair a terrifying mess in the end,is it correct ? OK.
3.It’s important to try make something different of your life = It’s important to
try make your life someting different,is it correct ? We don't use this phrasing.

We say 'It's important to try and make something of your life".
4.I’ll make cleaning the house my chore tomorrow = I’ll make my work of cleaning the
House tomorrow,is it correct ? No. Cleaning the house will be my chore tomorrow.

Franklin Ong(2)From the thread above that I guess that make means to force/cause someone to
do something on purpose .However if it goes with this meaning,then :
Don’t make her cry.Meaning that someone asks the other not to say:”You must cry
or I will punish you!”,isn’t it odd ?
He made me laugh,it implies that he said: “You must laugh now!” and I obeyed his order
to laugh,instead I laughed because of he said some jokes or something he did,probably.Isn’t very odd ?
Or I’ve got your meaning wrong,actually? Please correct me if I’m wrong,thanks.

Laughing and crying are involutary, so to make laugh and to make cry are equivalent to to cause to laugh and to cause to cry. The objection in the original sentence was that 'clap' - a volutary action - was included. With a voluntary action, 'make' can take on the suggestion of 'force', or at least 'insist'. It's more often the force of authority than a physical force.

Hence, She made him feel bad ~ She caused him to feel bad.

But, She made him write a letter ~ She ordered him to write a letter and he did.

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(3)Make is in higher register suggests that it is more appropriate in formal writting than get ? (writing) Yes, but you can use 'make' in casual situations as well.

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"Generally speaking, make doesn't work with past participles like cleaned, though there are exceptions.

You can't say make the furniture polished, make the house painted, make the window opened, and similar combinations."

What are the exceptions, could you tell me ? Past participles used as adjectives, e.g., It makes me worried. It makes me tired.

Franklin OngSo that I cannot say that
the painter is now making the wall painted with white colour,and
My mum was making the bed washed at the yesterday afternoon .
While getting and having instead ?

Correct. You can't say those. Also, in these 'have' means 'arrange for'. This means someone else is doing it. 'get' can mean you're doing it or it can mean you arranged for someone else to do it.

getting the wall painted. OK.

getting the sheets washed. OK. (Note: "Washing the bed" doesn't make a lot of sense.)

having the wall painted. OK.

having the sheets washed. OK.

CJ

Franklin Ong · Answer

CalifJim1.Don’t make a habit of smoking = don’t make smoking a habit,is it correct ? OK.
2.He always makes a terrifying mess of any affair in the end = He always makes any
affair a terrifying mess in the end,is it correct ? OK.
3.It’s important to try make something different of your life = It’s important to
try make your life someting different,is it correct ? We don't use this phrasing.

We say 'It's important to try and make something of your life".
4.I’ll make cleaning the house my chore tomorrow = I’ll make my work of cleaning the
House tomorrow,is it correct ? No. Cleaning the house will be my chore tomorrow.

CJ

1.Don’t make a habit of smoking.

2.Don’t make smoking a habit.etc.

Which structure is more colloquial in general speaking ?

Could make be replaced by get,have and let? If they work,what is the difference ?

It’s important to try and make your life someting different.Is it grammatical ?

CalifJim Laughing and crying are involutary, so to make laugh and to make cry are equivalent to to cause to laugh and to cause to cry. The objection in the original sentence was that 'clap' - a volutary action - was included. With a voluntary action, 'make' can take on the suggestion of 'force', or at least 'insist'. It's more often the force of authority than a physical force. CJ
I see,that means make can work with invonlutary actions ( usually emotional changes ) such as either adjectives with angry,upset,anxious or else and verbs with anger,fear,delight,laugh,cry or else.

Am I correct with this?

For example:

1.It makes me fear snake ever since the incident happend on me.Correct ?

2.It makes me delight when I heard of the good news that John's won the championship in the contest.Correct ?

CalifJim Past participles used as adjectives, e.g., It makes me worried. It makes me tired. CJ
Could all past participles be used as adjectives to make sense with make? I think emotional past participles are more appropriate to be used as adjectives to work with make.

CalifJim You can't say those. Also, in these 'have' means 'arrange for'. This means someone else is doing it. 'get' can mean you're doing it or it can mean you arranged for someone else to do it. CJ
Thus,have can only mean that you arrange for someone else to do it, while get can mean either you do it or it can mean you arrange for someone else to do it,depending on the whole content of conversation.

Correct about it ?

CalifJim · Answer

Franklin Ong1.Don’t make a habit of smoking.
2.Don’t make smoking a habit.etc.
Which structure is more colloquial in general speaking ?

The phrase "Don't make a habit of ..." is more common.

Franklin Ongthat means make can work with invonlutary actions ( usually emotional changes )

Yes, with the meaning "cause". make also works with volutary actions, but with the meaning "order".

Franklin OngFor example:
1.It makes me fear snake ever since the incident happend on me.Correct ?
2.It makes me delight when I heard of the good news that John's won the championship in the contest.Correct ?

No. There are other ways to say these.

I have been afraid of snakes ever since that happened to me.

I was delighted when I heard the news that John won the championship.

If there are other ways to say it, we don't often use a construction with make.

Franklin OngCould all past participles be used as adjectives to make sense with make? I think emotional past participles are more appropriate to be used as adjectives to work with make.

You are correct. Not all past participles can be used this way, but those that express emotional states are more likely to be usable in this way.

Franklin OngThus,have can only mean that you arrange for someone else to do it, while get can mean either you do it or it can mean you arrange for someone else to do it,depending on the whole content of conversation.

Yes. That's a good summary of the usage.

CJ

Franklin Ong · Answer

Do not make street demonstration of our national culture.Is it correct ?

I think it is supposed to be:

Do not make our national culture of street demonstration.

If I say I make the window open,it means I order the window to open itself.

So, it is very strange, isn’t it ?

However, I say

1)I got him open the window=I persuaded or just asked him to open it like:”Steve,can you open the window,please.”

2)I had him open the window=In my opinion,this one is more likely to be I hired a worker to open the window which I could not open myself because of it was stuck or rusted.

Normally,we talk about asking friends to do something for us,especially,some little things such as making a cup of coffee,closing door,giving a lift to somewhere or else for ourselves.We always use the word get to express.

Am I correct about the view?

It’s important to try and make your life someting different.Is it grammatical ?

CalifJim
I have been afraid of snakes ever since that happened to me.

I was delighted when I heard the news that John won the championship.

If there are other ways to say it, we don't often use a construction with make.

CJ

1.It makes me fear snake ever since the incident happend on me.Correct ?

2.It makes me delight when I heard of the good news that John's won the championship in the contest.

Are they grammatical?

Have can never work with by pharse ?

He is trying to have his children interested in reading by taking them to library once a week.

My mother have me overcome the fear of snake by getting me contact with snake closely.

Are the sentences wrong to use ?

Thank you very much for your reply.

CalifJim · Answer

Franklin OngDo not make street demonstration of our national culture.Is it correct ?
I think it is supposed to be:
Do not make our national culture of street demonstration.

Neither sentence makes a lot of sense. I don't quite understand what you're saying.

Franklin OngIf I say I make the window open,it means I order the window to open itself.
So, it is very strange, isn’t it ?

Yes, it is strange. That's why we don't say things like that.

Franklin Ong1)I got him open the window=I persuaded or just asked him to open it like:”Steve,can you open the window,please.”

I got him to open the window. You asked him to open it, and he did.

If you asked him to do it and he didn't, then you tried to get him to open the window. You didn't get him to open the window.

Franklin Ong2)I had him open the window=In my opinion,this one is more likely to be I hired a worker to open the window which I could not open myself because of it was stuck or rusted.

Yes, but it doesn't have to be that you hired him. You may have told him to do it, and he did it.

Franklin OngNormally,we talk about asking friends to do something for us,especially,some little things such as making a cup of coffee,closing door,giving a lift to somewhere or else for ourselves.We always use the word get to express.

Am I correct about the view?

No. We don't always use get. You can just say that you asked. I asked her to make a cup of coffee. You don't usually say that you got her to make a cup of coffee unless it took a special effort to get her agreement to do it.

Franklin OngIt’s important to try and make your life someting different.Is it grammatical ?

It's grammatical, but it is very awkward.

Franklin Ong1.It makes me fear snake ever since the incident happend on me.Correct ?
2.It makes me delight when I heard of the good news that John's won the championship in the contest.
Are they grammatical?

No. These are not grammatical. I already gave you the right way to say these.

Franklin OngHe is trying to have his children interested in reading by taking them to library once a week.
My mother have me overcome the fear of snake by getting me contact with snake closely.
Are the sentences wrong to use ?

You need these:

He is trying to get his children interested in reading by taking them to the library once a week.

My mother had me overcome my fear of snakes by putting me in close contact with them.

CJ

Franklin Ong · Answer

CalifJim Do not make street demonstration of our national culture.Is it correct ?
I think it is supposed to be:
Do not make our national culture of street demonstration.Neither sentence makes a lot of sense. I don't quite understand what you're saying.

CJ

It means not to let street demonstration be one of our national cultures, because our country is peaceful and democratic, if you have any dissatisfaction against the Government,please via the legal channels, but no street demonstration which will bring bad impact on the country.

CalifJimIf you asked him to do it and he didn't, then you tried to get him to open the window. You didn't get him to open the window.

CJ

So that,If I say: I got him to make a cup of coffee/wash the car/clean the house or something else; it usually means that he didn't want to do the thing initially when I asked him to do so, but after my much persuasion and begging probably, he agreed to do finally.Correct?

Have means that the work that is difficult to do, so we ask or hire someone to do for us or the person who is asked to do something for us, he/she is normally not our friends?

CalifJim1.He is trying to get his children interested in reading by taking them to the library once a week.

2.My mother had me overcome my fear of snakes by putting me in close contact with them.

CJ

Can have work with by phrase ever ?

Why can't the first sentence use have but get instead ?

Franklin Ong · Answer

Please,reply my question,this is quite important to me.Thanks

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