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Tenacious Learner Posted 14 years ago
Grammar

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Hi teachers,
According to this definition, can I assume that 'the noun' is always the subject in the main clause?
Non-defining relatives clauses give extra information about a noun and are separated from the noun by commas.

Thanks in advance.
  

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Thinking Spain can I assume that 'the noun' is always the subject in the main clause? No. There's no mention there of how the noun is used in the sentence.

— CalifJim

  • Thinking Spain can I assume that 'the noun' is always the subject in the main clause?
  • No.
  • There's no mention there of how the noun is used in the sentence.
  • CJ
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Thinking Spaincan I assume that 'the noun' is always the subject in the main clause?
No. There's no mention there of how the noun is used in the sentence.

CJ
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Hi,

No. It could, for example, be the object.
eg Tom has a car, which is red.

You need to review the word 'extra'. Defining clauses also give extra information.

Clive
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Hi Jim,
Thank you for your reply.
Then, can I say, 'Non-defining relatives clauses give extra information about the noun it precedes and are separated from the noun by commas'.
Though, isn't the subject the noun in the sentences?
Robert, who works at Mr. Landon's bookstore, is oftten late at work.
The rules, which are Mr. Landon's, requiere a suit and a tie.

TS
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CliveTom has a car, which is red.
Hi Clive,
Thank you for your reply. But yours Is a relative clause after the main clause. And the ones I am talking about are relative clauses inside the main clause.
CliveYou need to review the word 'extra'. Defining clauses also give extra information.
Oops! Then, instead of extra
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Thinking Spainisn't the subject the noun in the sentences?
In those sentences, yes.

The subject is always a noun, but not every noun in a sentence is the subject.

A noun may occur as the subject, the direct object, the indirect object, an object of a preposition, and in other guises.

The boss gave his assistant a dif
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Hi,

Tom has a car, which is red, in his garage.

My point about 'extra' was that I think you need to explain what the meaning of 'defining ' is. I find examples are the easiest way to do this, as well as talking about 'identifying information' and 'important information'.
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CalifJimIn those sentences, yes. The subject is always a noun, but not every noun in a sentence is the subject.
Hi Jim,
Thank you for your reply. That's what I tried to mean, in relative clauses inside the main clause the noun is always the subject.
CalifJimI think you need to change it to say that the relative clause is surr
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Hi Clive,
Thank you for your reply.
How about these ones' Would you agree more on 'b' than 'a'?
a) Non-defining relatives clauses give essential information about the subject it follows and are put in commas. Without them the listener or the reader would not be able to identify the subject in the sentence.
b) N
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Thinking SpainA non-defining relative clause gives extra information about the suject noun it follows and is enclosed by commas.
OK as shown.
Thinking Spainin relative clauses inside the main clause the noun is always the subject.
Hmmm. I wonder what is causing you to persist i
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Hi,

How about these ones' Would you agree more on 'b' than 'a'?
a) Non-defining relatives clauses give essential information about the subject it follows and are put in commas. Without them the listener or the reader would not be able to identify the subject in the sentence.
This s
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