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Prouncing "th" as "f" - British accents ?
Hi,
Can anyone tell me, in England, is pronouncing "th" as "f", e.g. in a word like "something" part of a particular English accent, or would it be more considered slang? If it's part of an accent, which area would it come from?
Also, the same with adding a "k" to the end of words, e.g. same word, "something" I've heard it pronounced "somthingk". Again, would this be a regional variation, or slang?
any info appreciated,
KM.
Can anyone tell me, in England, is pronouncing "th" as "f", e.g. in a word like "something" part of a particular English accent, or would it be more considered slang? If it's part of an accent, which area would it come from?
Also, the same with adding a "k" to the end of words, e.g. same word, "something" I've heard it pronounced "somthingk". Again, would this be a regional variation, or slang?
any info appreciated,
KM.
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g. in a word like "something" part of a particular English accent, or would it be more considered slang? [/nq] There are four groups of th-fronters: 1.
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- in a word like "something" part of a particular English accent, or would it be more considered slang?
- [/nq] There are four groups of th-fronters: 1.
- people who are born unable to pronounce th 2.
- children who haven't fully developed their speech 3.
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[nq:1]Can anyone tell me, in England, is pronouncing "th" as "f", e.g. in a word like "something" part of a particular English accent, or would it be more considered slang? If it's part of an accent, which area would it come from?[/nq]
There are four groups of th-fronters:
1. people who are born unable to pronounce th
2. children who haven't fully developed their speech
3. les
There are four groups of th-fronters:
1. people who are born unable to pronounce th
2. children who haven't fully developed their speech
3. les
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[nq:1]There are four groups of th-fronters: 4. people from certain areas, most notably the Thames estuary (eg. Cockneys) (in this case it can be classed as "dialect")[/nq]
Depressingly, it's also a feature of the postmodern Manchester accent that I've previously referred to as "Nu Salford". This results in such miserable mockeries of Tru Manc as "Newton 'Eaf".
Ryan "The Ex-New George Best"
Depressingly, it's also a feature of the postmodern Manchester accent that I've previously referred to as "Nu Salford". This results in such miserable mockeries of Tru Manc as "Newton 'Eaf".
Ryan "The Ex-New George Best"
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[nq:2]Can anyone tell me, in England, is pronouncing "th" as ... part of an accent, which area would it come from?[/nq]
[nq:1]There are four groups of th-fronters: 1. people who are born unable to pronounce th 2. children who haven't fully ... "dialect") Afaiui, nearly all th-fronters are able to pronounce th properly - it'sjust an effort for them to do so.[/nq]
When I made a similar point
[nq:1]There are four groups of th-fronters: 1. people who are born unable to pronounce th 2. children who haven't fully ... "dialect") Afaiui, nearly all th-fronters are able to pronounce th properly - it'sjust an effort for them to do so.[/nq]
When I made a similar point
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[nq:2]Can anyone tell me, in England, is pronouncing "th" as ... part of an accent, which area would it come from?[/nq]
[nq:1]There are four groups of th-fronters: 1. people who are born unable to pronounce th 2. children who haven't fully ... can sometimes be found in writing too: I recently saw a post where "ethernet" was written as "efernet", for example.[/nq]
A question arises as to wh
[nq:1]There are four groups of th-fronters: 1. people who are born unable to pronounce th 2. children who haven't fully ... can sometimes be found in writing too: I recently saw a post where "ethernet" was written as "efernet", for example.[/nq]
A question arises as to wh
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[nq:1]A question arises as to whether /D/ is also fronted to /v/, as in This'll do. vs Thistle dew. Ditto "that", "the", "other", "either", etc. Do vey all get de-dentalized to /v/, parallel to /T/ -> /f/?[/nq]
An interesting question. Listening to an imaginary Cockney in my head, I think that this does happen in post-vocalic positions (other, either), but in initial position (that, the) th
An interesting question. Listening to an imaginary Cockney in my head, I think that this does happen in post-vocalic positions (other, either), but in initial position (that, the) th
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[nq:2]There are four groups of th-fronters:[/nq]
[nq:2]4. people from certain areas, most notably the Thames estuary (eg. Cockneys) (in this case it can be classed as "dialect")[/nq]
[nq:1]Depressingly, it's also a feature of the postmodern Manchester accent that I've previously referred to as "Nu Salford". This results in such miserable mockeries of Tru Manc as "Newton 'Eaf". Ryan "The Ex
[nq:2]4. people from certain areas, most notably the Thames estuary (eg. Cockneys) (in this case it can be classed as "dialect")[/nq]
[nq:1]Depressingly, it's also a feature of the postmodern Manchester accent that I've previously referred to as "Nu Salford". This results in such miserable mockeries of Tru Manc as "Newton 'Eaf". Ryan "The Ex
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[nq:1]He's Welsh innit?[/nq]
Yeah, Like Zola Budd was English. Have you heard Ryan Giggs speak? Like he's so Welsh-sounding he makes the Gallagher Bruvvers sound like Dylan Thomas. (Er, something went very wrong with that image, but you know what I mean.)
Any road, 'ang about, like..
Gorrit!
Yeah, Like Zola Budd was English. Have you heard Ryan Giggs speak? Like he's so Welsh-sounding he makes the Gallagher Bruvvers sound like Dylan Thomas. (Er, something went very wrong with that image, but you know what I mean.)
Any road, 'ang about, like..
Gorrit!
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[nq:2]Ryan "The Ex-New George Best" Giggs is a typical culprit.[/nq]
[nq:1]He's Welsh innit?[/nq]
So's Catherine Zeta-Jones. But you'd never know it these days.
Jac
[nq:2]Ryan "The Ex-New George Best" Giggs is a typical culprit.[/nq]
[nq:1]He's Welsh innit?[/nq]
So's Catherine Zeta-Jones. But you'd never know it these days.
Jac
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[nq:2]There are four groups of th-fronters: 1. people who are ... - it's just an effort for them to do so.[/nq]
[nq:1]When I made a similar point (I phrased it as "laziness") in AEU a few months ago, I was shot ... affect a different pronunciation (didn't the artist formerly known as "Nigel Kennedy" go through a phase of this?). Steve Howarth[/nq]
If someone learned to pronounce "th" as "f
[nq:1]When I made a similar point (I phrased it as "laziness") in AEU a few months ago, I was shot ... affect a different pronunciation (didn't the artist formerly known as "Nigel Kennedy" go through a phase of this?). Steve Howarth[/nq]
If someone learned to pronounce "th" as "f
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[nq:2]He's Welsh innit?[/nq]
[nq:1]Yeah, Like Zola Budd was English. Have you heard Ryan Giggs speak?[/nq]
But Giggsy's (note the customary originality of footballers' nicknames) father did play Rugby League for Wales, didn't he? I'm qualified to play for Australia, England, Wales, Italy, and just conceivably either part of Ireland, except for the trifling detail of talent.
Mike.
[nq:1]Yeah, Like Zola Budd was English. Have you heard Ryan Giggs speak?[/nq]
But Giggsy's (note the customary originality of footballers' nicknames) father did play Rugby League for Wales, didn't he? I'm qualified to play for Australia, England, Wales, Italy, and just conceivably either part of Ireland, except for the trifling detail of talent.
Mike.
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