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Pronunciation of 'forte' (Italian-derived) and 'forte' (French-derived)
The various pronunciations of "forte" have been discussed before in these newsgroups, of course, but I'd like to ask a very specific question concerning them:
Do any of you distinguish by pronunciation between the Italian-derived adverb "forte" and the French-derived noun "forte"? If you do, could you please report which pronunciations you use for each term, using the following pronunciations spellings (based upon the entries in the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary).
"fort"
"FOR-tay"
"for-TAY"
"FOR-tee"
(If you have other pronunciations, by all means include them.)
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
Do any of you distinguish by pronunciation between the Italian-derived adverb "forte" and the French-derived noun "forte"? If you do, could you please report which pronunciations you use for each term, using the following pronunciations spellings (based upon the entries in the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary).
"fort"
"FOR-tay"
"for-TAY"
"FOR-tee"
(If you have other pronunciations, by all means include them.)
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
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[nq:1]The various pronunciations of "forte" have been discussed before in these newsgroups, of course, but I'd like to ask a ... entries in the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary). )[/nq] French strong point: /fOrt/ or /'fOrteI/, partly depending on who I'm talking to.
- [nq:1]The various pronunciations of "forte" have been discussed before in these newsgroups, of course, but I'd like to ask a ...
- entries in the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary).
- )[/nq] French strong point: /fOrt/ or /'fOrteI/, partly depending on who I'm talking to.
- Italian adjective, adverb, or noun: /'fOrteI/.
- Jerry Friedman
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[nq:1]The various pronunciations of "forte" have been discussed before in these newsgroups, of course, but I'd like to ask a ... entries in the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary). "fort" "FOR-tay" "for-TAY" "FOR-tee" (If you have other pronunciations, by all means include them.)[/nq]
French strong point: /fOrt/ or /'fOrteI/, partly depending on who I'm talking to.
Italian adjective, adverb
French strong point: /fOrt/ or /'fOrteI/, partly depending on who I'm talking to.
Italian adjective, adverb
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[nq:1]The various pronunciations of "forte" have been discussed before in these newsgroups, of course, but I'd like to ask a ... pronunciations you use for each term, using the following pronunciations spellings (based upon the entries in the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary).[/nq]
I can do no more than echo with strong RightPondian agreement, the American Heritage Dictionary's comment:
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I can do no more than echo with strong RightPondian agreement, the American Heritage Dictionary's comment:
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[nq:2]Do any of you distinguish by pronunciation between the Italian-derived ... spellings (based upon the entries in the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary).[/nq]
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[nq:1]Never, ever.[/nq]
Same here on all counts except "pianoforte", which to me is sufficiently naturalised in English to have lost the trill of being foreign.
Cheers, Harvey
Canadian and British
[nq:1]Never, ever.[/nq]
Same here on all counts except "pianoforte", which to me is sufficiently naturalised in English to have lost the trill of being foreign.
Cheers, Harvey
Canadian and British
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[nq:2]Like this. If I were saying eg "pianoforte" I would pronounce it all'italiano, trilled 'r' and all, and **** the funny looks.[/nq]
[nq:1]Same here on all counts except "pianoforte", which to me is sufficiently naturalised in English to have lost the trill of being foreign.[/nq]
It's a jokey affectation I am rather fond of perpetrating.
[nq:1]Same here on all counts except "pianoforte", which to me is sufficiently naturalised in English to have lost the trill of being foreign.[/nq]
It's a jokey affectation I am rather fond of perpetrating.
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I should have written,
The only people **apart from me** who say "peeahno forrrtay" for "pianoforte" are music teachers in my
experience.
The only people **apart from me** who say "peeahno forrrtay" for "pianoforte" are music teachers in my
experience.
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[nq:1]Do any of you distinguish by pronunciation between the Italian-derived adverb "forte" and the French-derived noun "forte"? If you do, ... each term, using the following pronunciations spellings (based upon the entries in the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary). "fort" "FOR-tay" "for-TAY" "FOR-tee"[/nq]
"FOR-tay", always.
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
"FOR-tay", always.
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
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[nq:1]I should have written, The only people **apart from me** who say "peeahno forrrtay" for "pianoforte" are music teachers in my experience.[/nq]
I'm quite fond of listening to people playing the softloud.
I knew a choir director years ago who insisted on addressing the women singers as "soprani" and "alti"; what was particularly annoying was that he didn't Italianise the ma
I'm quite fond of listening to people playing the softloud.
I knew a choir director years ago who insisted on addressing the women singers as "soprani" and "alti"; what was particularly annoying was that he didn't Italianise the ma
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[nq:1]the least he could've done was to be consistent in his affectations.)[/nq]
Exactly.
Exactly.
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[nq:1]I should have written, The only people **apart from me** who say "peeahno forrrtay" for "pianoforte" are music teachers in my experience.[/nq]
Ah, you mean the trilled "r". Your statement had me puzzled, because I've never heard anyone say "pianoforte" with a silent "e".
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Ah, you mean the trilled "r". Your statement had me puzzled, because I've never heard anyone say "pianoforte" with a silent "e".
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
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[nq:1]Ah, you mean the trilled "r". Your statement had me puzzled, because I've never heard anyone say "pianoforte" with a silent "e".[/nq]
That's why I wrote, "If I were saying eg "pianoforte" I would pronounce it
all'italiano, trilled 'r' and all, and **** the funny looks. "
That's why I wrote, "If I were saying eg "pianoforte" I would pronounce it
all'italiano, trilled 'r' and all, and **** the funny looks. "
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