Pronunciation of "catholic"

On 14 Jun 2004 17:42:05 -0700, Alan Walker (Email Removed) wrote, in part:
[nq:1]I have occasionally heard "catholic" pronounced "c@ thol' ic" (@ = schwa) to distinguish it from "Catholic".[/nq]
I think the standard pronunciation of 'arithmetic' (the adjective) is /,&r@T'***/ (although the noun is, of course, /@'r.ITm@tIk/).

Similarly, 'integral' (noun, the thing studied in calcul

[nq:2]I have occasionally heard "catholic" pronounced "c@ thol' ic" (@ = schwa) to distinguish it from "Catholic".[/nq]
[nq:1]I think the standard pronunciation of 'arithmetic' (the adjective) is /,&r@T'***/ (although the noun is, of course, /@'r.ITm@tIk/). Similarly, 'integral' (noun, the thing studied in calculus) is /'Int@grl-/, whereas 'integral' (adjective, primary) is either that or (I t

[nq:1]I have occasionally heard "catholic" pronounced "c@ thol' ic" (@ = schwa) to distinguish it from "Catholic". This variant is ... heard this distinction, I'd be interested to know where and which version of English. My OED11 does not record it.[/nq]
High Church Anglicans sometimes used to say "Cahth-lick" (the "father" vowel) But some of them used to say "plahstic" too.

Steve Hay

I've heard that one as well, but in the opposite context (ie as a variant pronunciation of the same usage, not as a distinction). It feels like a back-construction from Catholicism (pronounced "c'THOlicism"), which I've only ever heard pronounced that way (never "CATH'licism")
[nq:2]I think the standard pronunciation of 'arithmetic' (the adjective) is ... primary) is either that or (I think mo

[nq:1]Anyway, this isn't quite analogous to the "Catholic"/"catholic" question because in that case both are adjectives. Having different stress patterns on the two members of a noun/adjective or noun/verb (PERmit, perMIT; ENvelope, enVELop) pair is unremarkable; but that doesn't carry over to "{C/c}atholic".[/nq]
Merriam-Webster doesn't show any variant of "catholic" stressing the second syll

[nq:1]I can't remember ever hearing the non-Catholic-church use of "catholic" in my life - only reading it.[/nq]
If you want to hear it, you just need to attend a traditional Anglican/Episcopalian eucharistic service, where the Apostle's Creed will normally be recited. Some UMC versions substitute "universal" and the United Church of Canada normally uses a different statement of faith,

[nq:1]High Church Anglicans sometimes used to say "Cahth-lick" (the "father" vowel) But some of them used to say "plahstic" too.[/nq]
And I have heard some Catholics talk of going to "Mahss".

Alec McKenzie

[nq:1]I can't remember ever hearing the non-Catholic-church use of "catholic" in my life - only reading it.[/nq]
I hear it in the Apostle's Creed in our Presbyterian church. I also say it, because the congregation recites the creed together.
At http://www.reformed.org/documen

[nq:2]I can't remember ever hearing the non-Catholic-church use of "catholic" in my life - only reading it.[/nq]
[nq:1]I hear it in the Apostle's Creed in our Presbyterian church. I also say it, because the congregation (*)recites(*) the creed together.[/nq]
recite
("Congregation" is a collective noun that properly takes a plural verb.)

[nq:2]I also say it, because the congregation (*)recites(*) the creed together.[/nq]
[nq:1]recite ("Congregation" is a collective noun that properly takes a plural verb.)[/nq]
... if you're British. Which you're not.
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