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Pronunciation of "carouse" (/s/ or /z/)
You know, I was actually considering asking about "carouse". Is it really true that (almost) no one uses /s/ at the end? Someone who first came across the word in the Rubaiyat might. (I wasn't very familiar with the word when I saw it in the Rubaiyat.) And I am not convinced that Fitzgerald used /z/ at the end.
Is it the noun or the verb that should be considered more basic?
-- Daniel G. McGrath (autistic) http://members.tripod.com/denyore_w0o/
Is it the noun or the verb that should be considered more basic?
-- Daniel G. McGrath (autistic) http://members.tripod.com/denyore_w0o/
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[nq:1]really[/nq] [nq:2]Deean Magreeat, Dayalux laik Shacaugaweece wut heeave da /s/ /z/ ... "[/nq] [nq:1]"Lairch"? Do they merge /dZ/ and /tS/ as well?
- [nq:1]really[/nq] [nq:2]Deean Magreeat, Dayalux laik Shacaugaweece wut heeave da /s/ /z/ ...
- "[/nq] [nq:1]"Lairch"?
- Do they merge /dZ/ and /tS/ as well?
- [/nq] I think that a /dZ/ /tS/ merger is possible in some Chicago accents.
- The vowel is an effort to get at the extremely fronted "cart" vowel of the Northern Cities Vowel Shift.
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[nq:1]really[/nq]
[nq:2]Deean Magreeat, Dayalux laik Shacaugaweece wut heeave da /s/ /z/ ... quaannadeece a beerce eean' conssuming munny bowlce sa deep-dush pizza."[/nq]
[nq:1]"Lairch"? Do they merge /dZ/ and /tS/ as well? And what about the vowel?[/nq]
I think that a /dZ/ /tS/ merger is possible in some Chicago accents. The vowel is an effort to get at the extremely fronted "cart" v
[nq:2]Deean Magreeat, Dayalux laik Shacaugaweece wut heeave da /s/ /z/ ... quaannadeece a beerce eean' conssuming munny bowlce sa deep-dush pizza."[/nq]
[nq:1]"Lairch"? Do they merge /dZ/ and /tS/ as well? And what about the vowel?[/nq]
I think that a /dZ/ /tS/ merger is possible in some Chicago accents. The vowel is an effort to get at the extremely fronted "cart" v
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[nq:2]Well, I use /s/ in "Paradise", but /z/ in "flies", ... the observation if someone were to send him a sample.[/nq]
[nq:1]I have never even heard it with the 's' sound. Is this another Pondian thing?[/nq]
In "paradise"? Must be, because I've never consciously heard it with /z/. In fact, MIMIM Americans have "paradise" and "pair of dice" as homophones.
[nq:1]I have never even heard it with the 's' sound. Is this another Pondian thing?[/nq]
In "paradise"? Must be, because I've never consciously heard it with /z/. In fact, MIMIM Americans have "paradise" and "pair of dice" as homophones.
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[nq:2] I have never even heard it with the 's' sound. Is this another Pondian thing?[/nq]
[nq:1]In "paradise"? Must be, because I've never consciously heard it with /z/. In fact, MIMIM Americans have "paradise" and "pair ... consciously heard it with /z/ either, so it can't be just Pondian. It's nothing like "pair of dice", of course.[/nq]
Jonathan
[nq:1]In "paradise"? Must be, because I've never consciously heard it with /z/. In fact, MIMIM Americans have "paradise" and "pair ... consciously heard it with /z/ either, so it can't be just Pondian. It's nothing like "pair of dice", of course.[/nq]
Jonathan
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:51:34 -0400, R F (Email Removed) said:
[nq:1] ( . . . )[/nq]
[nq:2]I have never even heard ("paradise") with the 's' sound. Is this another Pondian thing?[/nq]
Merriam-Webster dictionaries have (s) in "paradise" with the (z) pronunciation relegated to an "also". NSOED has only the (s), so maybe the (z) is a down-under thing.
[nq:1]In "paradise"? Must
[nq:1] ( . . . )[/nq]
[nq:2]I have never even heard ("paradise") with the 's' sound. Is this another Pondian thing?[/nq]
Merriam-Webster dictionaries have (s) in "paradise" with the (z) pronunciation relegated to an "also". NSOED has only the (s), so maybe the (z) is a down-under thing.
[nq:1]In "paradise"? Must
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>> >>> Well, I use /s/ in "Paradise", but /z/ in "flies", "Lies", and >>> "dies", except that I wouldn't guarantee that the "s" is >>> undevoiced in the last three, and I'm quite sure that the >>> diphthong before it is dramatically lengthened, compared to the >>> one in "Paradise", so it's nowhere near a rhyme, expecially >>> because I'
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[nq:1]In fact, MIMIM Americans have "paradise" and "pair of dice" as homophones.[/nq]
Except for syllable stress.
-Aaron J. Dinkin
Dr. Whom
Except for syllable stress.
-Aaron J. Dinkin
Dr. Whom
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}> In fact, MIMIM Americans have "paradise" and "pair of dice" as }> homophones.
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} Except for syllable stress.
Eh? How so?
} -Aaron J. Dinkin
} Dr. Whom
R. J. Valentine
}> In fact, MIMIM Americans have "paradise" and "pair of dice" as }> homophones.
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} Except for syllable stress.
Eh? How so?
} -Aaron J. Dinkin
} Dr. Whom
R. J. Valentine
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[nq:1]}> In fact, MIMIM Americans have "paradise" and "pair of dice" as }> homophones. } } Except for syllable stress. Eh? How so?[/nq]
One and three, respectively.
Skitt (in SF Bay Area) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ I speak English well I learn it from a book
One and three, respectively.
Skitt (in SF Bay Area) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ I speak English well I learn it from a book
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}> }> In fact, MIMIM Americans have "paradise" and "pair of dice" as }> }> homophones.
}> }
}> } Except for syllable stress.
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}> Eh? How so?
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} One and three, respectively.
Okay, gotcha. I was thinking "How many you got there?", not "What's that?" You know, using Sparky's technique for making Prof. F make sense.
R. J. Valentine
}> }> In fact, MIMIM Americans have "paradise" and "pair of dice" as }> }> homophones.
}> }
}> } Except for syllable stress.
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}> Eh? How so?
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} One and three, respectively.
Okay, gotcha. I was thinking "How many you got there?", not "What's that?" You know, using Sparky's technique for making Prof. F make sense.
R. J. Valentine
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