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EvetsEgap Posted 18 years ago
There are two differing views of the meaning of the words below that are in bold letters. One view is, God has given some people differing ministries so that they might be apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors or teachers. The other view is, God has given ministries so there might be apostles, prophets, evangelists or those who are both pastors and teachers. The question is, are there four ministries being described or five? I thought I would present this issue to this forum to see how those, who can diagram a sentence, would interpret this scripture. Thanks for you time and help.
It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up;..... Ephesians 4:11-12 (New International Version)
Another version:
And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
12for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;.......(New American Standard Bible)
Here is the full paragraph the sentence is taken from:
Ephesians 4 (New King James Version)"11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love."
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There are two differing views of the meaning of the words below that are in bold letters. One view is, God has given some people differing ministries so that they might be apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors or teachers. The other view is, God has given ministries so there might be apostles, prophets, evangelists or those who are both pastors and teachers. The question is, are there four ministries being described or five? I thought I would present this issue to this forum to see how those, who can diagram a sentence, would interpret this scripture. Thanks for you time and help.
It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up;..... Ephesians 4:11-12 (New International Version)
Another version:
And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
12for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;.......(New American Standard Bible)
Here is the full paragraph the sentence is taken from:
Ephesians 4 (New King James Version)"11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love."
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Welcome, EvetsEgap, to the forums. I think you'll find this a very interesting place to spend some time. As for your question about parsing the bold part of your question, I see it as Subject [He], Verb [gave], and four-part direct object [some, some, some, some].
- Welcome, EvetsEgap, to the forums.
- I think you'll find this a very interesting place to spend some time.
- As for your question about parsing the bold part of your question, I see it as Subject [He], Verb [gave], and four-part direct object [some, some, some, some].
- I'm not qualified to determine if that was the intent of the writer/translator.
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Welcome, EvetsEgap, to the forums. I think you'll find this a very interesting place to spend some time.
As for your question about parsing the bold part of your question, I see it as Subject [He], Verb [gave], and four-part direct object [some, some, some, some]. I'm not qualified to determine if that was the intent of the writer/translator.
As for your question about parsing the bold part of your question, I see it as Subject [He], Verb [gave], and four-part direct object [some, some, some, some]. I'm not qualified to determine if that was the intent of the writer/translator.
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EvetsEgapThe question is, are there four gifts being described or four?Four or four? Hmmm. Are you sure that's what you are asking?
Besides, I don't see any mention of gifts in the text. gave some to be has nothing to do with gifts. It is simply an idiom which means caused some to become without saying how they were caused
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I changed "gifts" to "minisrties", so my question would be more accurate. I also see where I did ask are there four or four and changed it. Thanks for your input. So are ther four or five?
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EvetsEgapSo are ther four or five?Four. If it were five, the last two would have been sepa
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