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Jooney Posted 14 years ago
Grammar
Participial clause
Hi,
ex1)
A: Having sung to the crowd, I felt I deserved a cold glass of beer.
B: After I had sung to the crowd, I felt I deserved a cold glass of beer.
ex2)
A: Having been singing to the crowd, I felt I deserved a cold glass of beer.
B: After I had been singing to the crowd, I felt I deserved a cold glass of beer.
Q1) What's the difference in meaning between "B" of ex1 and "B" of ex2? Do they denote the same situation?
ex3) Developing nuclear weapons, Iran is becoming a source of international concern.
My grammar book says that participial clauses do not accept progressive "be". I guess what it means is the following:
take: is taking
took: was taking
taking: being taking(X)
But the sentence in question has a progressive meaning. You can readily see that if you convert it into a preposition phrase. For example,
As Iran is developing nuclear weapons, it is becoming a source of international concern.
Q2) So as long as you drop "being", you can have a progressive meaning embedded in the participial clause, correct?
Being Developing nuclear weapons, Iran is becoming a source of international concern.
I'd appreciate your help.
ex1)
A: Having sung to the crowd, I felt I deserved a cold glass of beer.
B: After I had sung to the crowd, I felt I deserved a cold glass of beer.
ex2)
A: Having been singing to the crowd, I felt I deserved a cold glass of beer.
B: After I had been singing to the crowd, I felt I deserved a cold glass of beer.
Q1) What's the difference in meaning between "B" of ex1 and "B" of ex2? Do they denote the same situation?
ex3) Developing nuclear weapons, Iran is becoming a source of international concern.
My grammar book says that participial clauses do not accept progressive "be". I guess what it means is the following:
take: is taking
took: was taking
taking: being taking(X)
But the sentence in question has a progressive meaning. You can readily see that if you convert it into a preposition phrase. For example,
As Iran is developing nuclear weapons, it is becoming a source of international concern.
Q2) So as long as you drop "being", you can have a progressive meaning embedded in the participial clause, correct?
I'd appreciate your help.
Top answer
B: Hi, This is my take. The examples have some issues with semantics in my opinion. First one is a participle perfect construction which set up the action that follows.
- B: Hi, This is my take.
- The examples have some issues with semantics in my opinion.
- First one is a participle perfect construction which set up the action that follows.
- something" .
- Typical examples: Having worked all day under scorching sun, I was dying for a cold beer !
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jooneyA: Having sung to the crowd, I felt I deserved a cold glass of beer.B:Hi,
This is my take. The examples have some issues with semantics in my opinion. First one is a participle perfect construction which set up the action that follows. The pattern doesn't usually follow by
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Thank you for your answer, DE. I need to know why those particular sentences have problems, though. And also, what's your opinion on my second question?
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I am not an expert in explaining the intrinsic nature of complex grammar. We may need CJ's help. Present participle perfect construction, to me, is much more complex than simple participle clause co
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Thank you for your answer, DE. I just want to make a participial sentence that is composed of the perfect progressive. How about the following sentence?
A: Having been singing all her life, she knows a ton of songs.(participial)
B: She has been singing all her life, so she knows a ton of songs.(basic)
Could someone answer my second question? It's very import
A: Having been singing all her life, she knows a ton of songs.(participial)
B: She has been singing all her life, so she knows a ton of songs.(basic)
Could someone answer my second question? It's very import
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