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Pannekoeken
In another newsgroup, I've been involved in a discussion with a poster from Belgium about the nature of "pannekoeken." I stated that pannekoeken are oven-baked pancakes, and as a result are lighter than ordinary pancakes. He insisted that pannekoeken are not oven-baked.
So I called the Pannekoeken Huis Family Restaurant in Maplewood, Minnesota. I asked the lady who answered whether pannekoeken were baked in the oven and she replied that they were. I then asked if they had anything they called "pannekoeken" which was not baked in the oven, and she replied that they had regular pancakes but they did not call them "pannekoeken." Finally, I mentioned that I was replying in a newsgroup to someone from the Netherlands that was an error, it was someone from Belgium who insisted that pannekoeken were not baked in the oven, and I wanted to verify that here pannekoeken are always baked in the oven. She said, "Yes, here pannekoeken are always baked in the oven."
I posted about this in the other newsgroup, and speculated that this was perhaps a case of a word being adopted from one language to another with a more narrow sense. I gave the example of "tilde," which in English means the accent mark used over the "n" in Spanish words such as "cañon," while in Spanish "tilde" has the more general meaning of "accent mark." I asked the poster to whom I was replying whether pannekoeken are ever baked in the oven in Belgium or the Netherlands. He has not yet replied.
A Google search of English-language pages turns up other uses of "pannekoeken" to mean an oven-baked pancake. My question is, first, if you have eaten pannekoeken in your area and if so, what country are you writing from were they baked in an oven and second, if you live in Belgium or the Netherlands (hi, Donna!), are pannekoeken ever baked in the oven there?
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
So I called the Pannekoeken Huis Family Restaurant in Maplewood, Minnesota. I asked the lady who answered whether pannekoeken were baked in the oven and she replied that they were. I then asked if they had anything they called "pannekoeken" which was not baked in the oven, and she replied that they had regular pancakes but they did not call them "pannekoeken." Finally, I mentioned that I was replying in a newsgroup to someone from the Netherlands that was an error, it was someone from Belgium who insisted that pannekoeken were not baked in the oven, and I wanted to verify that here pannekoeken are always baked in the oven. She said, "Yes, here pannekoeken are always baked in the oven."
I posted about this in the other newsgroup, and speculated that this was perhaps a case of a word being adopted from one language to another with a more narrow sense. I gave the example of "tilde," which in English means the accent mark used over the "n" in Spanish words such as "cañon," while in Spanish "tilde" has the more general meaning of "accent mark." I asked the poster to whom I was replying whether pannekoeken are ever baked in the oven in Belgium or the Netherlands. He has not yet replied.
A Google search of English-language pages turns up other uses of "pannekoeken" to mean an oven-baked pancake. My question is, first, if you have eaten pannekoeken in your area and if so, what country are you writing from were they baked in an oven and second, if you live in Belgium or the Netherlands (hi, Donna!), are pannekoeken ever baked in the oven there?
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
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(snip) [nq:1]A Google search of English-language pages turns up other uses of "pannekoeken" to mean an oven-baked pancake. My question is, ... [/nq] Sorry, no, not that I ever heard of, nor my daughter either.
- (snip) [nq:1]A Google search of English-language pages turns up other uses of "pannekoeken" to mean an oven-baked pancake.
- My question is, ...
- [/nq] Sorry, no, not that I ever heard of, nor my daughter either.
- They are cooked in a skillet/frying pan on the top of the stove.
- One big one per time, like a crepe.
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[nq:1]A Google search of English-language pages turns up other uses of "pannekoeken" to mean an oven-baked pancake. My question is, ... and second, if you live in Belgium or the Netherlands (hi, Donna!), are pannekoeken ever baked in the oven there?[/nq]
Sorry, no, not that I ever heard of, nor my daughter either. They are cooked in a skillet/frying pan on the top of the stove. One
[nq:1]A Google search of English-language pages turns up other uses of "pannekoeken" to mean an oven-baked pancake. My question is, ... and second, if you live in Belgium or the Netherlands (hi, Donna!), are pannekoeken ever baked in the oven there?[/nq]
Sorry, no, not that I ever heard of, nor my daughter either. They are cooked in a skillet/frying pan on the top of the stove. One
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[nq:1](snip)[/nq]
[nq:2]A Google search of English-language pages turns up other uses ... (hi, Donna!), are pannekoeken ever baked in the oven there?[/nq]
[nq:1]Sorry, no, not that I ever heard of, nor my daughter either. They are cooked in a skillet/frying pan on ... deliberately insert silent letters into the middle of words, but it's a grammatical thing. (Kinda like trade union, trades
[nq:2]A Google search of English-language pages turns up other uses ... (hi, Donna!), are pannekoeken ever baked in the oven there?[/nq]
[nq:1]Sorry, no, not that I ever heard of, nor my daughter either. They are cooked in a skillet/frying pan on ... deliberately insert silent letters into the middle of words, but it's a grammatical thing. (Kinda like trade union, trades
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[nq:1]I just found the following. You might call it an official Minnesota recipe :-) because it comes from Pillsbury, which ... oven; immediately arrange peaches and strawberries over pancake and drizzle with orange sauce. Cut into wedges. Serve immediately. 2-3 servings.[/nq]
This looks to me like a sweet version of a Yorkshire pudding.
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
This looks to me like a sweet version of a Yorkshire pudding.
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
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[nq:2]Heat oven to 425?. Lightly spoon flour into measuring cup; ... 425? for 14-18 minutes or until puffed and golden brown.[/nq]
I cooked them at 425 but they were burned to a crisp. What went wrong?
Alan
I cooked them at 425 but they were burned to a crisp. What went wrong?
Alan
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[nq:1]I cooked them at 425 but they were burned to a crisp. What went wrong? Alan[/nq]
Your oven is calibrated in Reamur.
Your oven is calibrated in Reamur.
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[nq:1]I cooked them at 425 but they were burned to a crisp. What went wrong?[/nq]
You should have waited until 4.30.
m.
You should have waited until 4.30.
m.
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[nq:1]I cooked them at 425 but they were burned to a crisp. What went wrong? Alan[/nq]
Don't ask me - it was Ray who posted the recipe.
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
Don't ask me - it was Ray who posted the recipe.
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
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[nq:1]In another newsgroup, I've been involved in a discussion with a poster from Belgium about the nature of "pannekoeken." I stated that pannekoeken are oven-baked pancakes, and as a result are lighter than ordinary pancakes. He insisted that pannekoeken are not oven-baked.[/nq]
In America perhaps, but the original Dutch 'pannekoeken' are not oven-baked. Like French 'crepes' they are made in
In America perhaps, but the original Dutch 'pannekoeken' are not oven-baked. Like French 'crepes' they are made in
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[nq:1]By the way, since the mid-1990s spelling reform, it's pannenkoek and pannenkoeken. I found it amazing that spelling reformers would deliberately insert silent letters into the middle of words, but it's a grammatical thing. (Kinda like trade union, trades union.)[/nq]
Not so strange.
The (not always entirely silent) middle n did exist already. It presence or absence was determined by
Not so strange.
The (not always entirely silent) middle n did exist already. It presence or absence was determined by
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[nq:1]My question is, first, if you have eaten pannekoeken in your area and if so, what country are youwriting from were they baked in an oven and second, if you live in Belgium or the Netherlands (hi, Donna!), are pannekoeken ever baked in the oven there?[/nq]
At the waterfront Pannekoekhuis at Kijkduin
(suburb of The Hague, Netherlands) I think all
pancakes are prepared in the oven.
At the waterfront Pannekoekhuis at Kijkduin
(suburb of The Hague, Netherlands) I think all
pancakes are prepared in the oven.
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