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Origin of scumbag

Nicholas van Hoogstraten (once described by a British judge as "an emissary of Beelzebub", I believe, which I'm now saving for my tombstone) claimed yesterday in an interview on BBC News 24 that he'd originated the word "scumbag" in the 1960s. NSOED says it's US in origin, but fails to date it.
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english: [nq:1]Nicholas van Hoogstraten (once described by a British judge as "an emissary of Beelzebub", I believe, which I'm now saving ... that he'd originated the word "scumbag" in the 1960s. [/nq] MWCD11 dates it to 1967.

  • english: [nq:1]Nicholas van Hoogstraten (once described by a British judge as "an emissary of Beelzebub", I believe, which I'm now saving ...
  • that he'd originated the word "scumbag" in the 1960s.
  • [/nq] MWCD11 dates it to 1967.
  • It seems the sort of term that would be in use for some time before it appeared in print, but it could well have been coined by a living person.
  • When the term was already familiar to me as a word for a disagreeable person, I heard someone use it to mean "used condom," and have since heard it in that sense many times.
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In our last episode,
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the lovely and talented Matti Lamprhey
broadcast on alt.usage.english:
[nq:1]Nicholas van Hoogstraten (once described by a British judge as "an emissary of Beelzebub", I believe, which I'm now saving ... that he'd originated the word "scumbag" in the 1960s. NSOED says it's US in origin, but fails to date it.[/nq]
MWCD11 dates it to 1967. It seems the sort
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[nq:1]Nicholas van Hoogstraten (once described by a British judge as "an emissary of Beelzebub", I believe, which I'm now saving ... that he'd originated the word "scumbag" in the 1960s. NSOED says it's US in origin, but fails to date it.[/nq]
I thought it was US, too. Slang for a condom. I can provide no citation, however.
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In our last episode,
(Email Removed),
the lovely and talented Lars Eighner
broadcast on alt.usage.english:
[nq:1]MWCD11 dates it to 1967.[/nq]
But they are wrong. It occurs in Last Exit to Brooklyn (1964) referring to a person:
"... and sneered at the ignorant sonofbitchin bartender. The rotten scumbag. ..."
Thanks to Amazon.com's new context search feature.

La
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[nq:2]MWCD11 dates it to 1967.[/nq]
[nq:1]But they are wrong. It occurs in Last Exit to Brooklyn (1964) referring to a person: "... and sneered at the ignorant sonofbitchin bartender. The rotten scumbag. ..." Thanks to Amazon.com's new context search feature.[/nq]
Cassell's Dictionary of Slang says it's from the 1920s+ in its condom meaning though Partridge's 8th doesn't mention it, nor 's
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[nq:1]Nicholas van Hoogstraten (once described by a British judge as "an emissary of Beelzebub", I believe, which I'm now saving ... that he'd originated the word "scumbag" in the 1960s. NSOED says it's US in origin, but fails to date it.[/nq]
The files of the Historical Dictionary of American Slang have examples in the 'condom' sense to the 1930s, and referring to a disliked person from 1950
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[nq:2]Nicholas van Hoogstraten (once described by a British judge as ... says it's US in origin, but fails to date it.[/nq]
[nq:1]The files of the Historical Dictionary of American Slang have examples in the 'condom' sense to the 1930s, and referring to a disliked person from 1950 or so.[/nq]
Thanks, Jesse and others. Van H. was obviously as accurate about that matter as he was about all h
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[nq:1]Nicholas van Hoogstraten (once described by a British judge as "an emissary of Beelzebub", I believe, which I'm now saving for my tombstone) claimed yesterday in an interview on BBC News 24 that he'd originated the word "scumbag" in the 1960s.[/nq]
Goes to show it's unwise to believe a fraudster.
Adrian
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[nq:2]Nicholas van Hoogstraten (once described by a British judge as ... says it's US in origin, but fails to date it.[/nq]
[nq:1]I thought it was US, too. Slang for a condom. I can provide no citation, however.[/nq]
This book had a word-fight between two women, in which any reader got a great education in horrid names for women. I don't have a copy, but my bet is that "scumbag" could be f
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[nq:1]I heard someone use it to mean "used condom," and have since heard it in that sense many times.[/nq]
We used to call those Charles River whitefish.
Related question: Where did the insult "pond scum" come from? It was used by Diane on Cheers ; is it older than that?

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[nq:2]I heard someone use it to mean "used condom," and have since heard it in that sense many times.[/nq]
[nq:1]We used to call those Charles River whitefish.[/nq]
A little south of you they were called Long Island White Eels.

Brian Wickham

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