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On the Front Burner

"On the front burner", "on the back burner", who started these?

I meant to put this in the "First Cool Character on TV" thread because a fan of Kookie site mentioned that Kookie was responsible for popularizing the phrase.
Was it essentially unknown before beat times?
Was it a beatnik phrase?
Was Kookie the main vector to the mainstream?
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[nq:1]"On the front burner", "on the back burner", who started these? I meant to put this in the "First Cool ... fan of Kookie site mentioned that Kookie was responsible for popularizing the phrase.

  • [nq:1]"On the front burner", "on the back burner", who started these?
  • I meant to put this in the "First Cool ...
  • fan of Kookie site mentioned that Kookie was responsible for popularizing the phrase.
  • [/nq] Apparently so.
  • That is, not recorded in print until 1963.
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[nq:1]"On the front burner", "on the back burner", who started these? I meant to put this in the "First Cool ... fan of Kookie site mentioned that Kookie was responsible for popularizing the phrase. Was it essentially unknown before beat times?[/nq]
Apparently so. That is, not recorded in print until 1963.
[nq:1]Was it a beatnik phrase?[/nq]
No, why? Were there beatniks in the show? I
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[nq:1]"On the front burner", "on the back burner", who started these? I meant to put this in the "First Cool ... fan of Kookie site mentioned that Kookie was responsible for popularizing the phrase. Was it essentially unknown before beat times?[/nq]
I'm not even familiar with any "on the front burner" expression, but ProQuest reveals that in 1944 "cooking on the front burner" was listed, along
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[nq:1]Just in case anyone is puzzled: in a woodburning cookstove (and probably a coal-burning one, too) the idea was that ... bring them up front to make them boil faster. Nowadays we can just turn a **** to change the heat.[/nq]
It never occurred to me that it might be a reference to wood or coal-burning stoves. My mother's gas cooker had burners. The front ones could be turned up to a much h
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[nq:2]"On the front burner", "on the back burner", who started ... site mentioned that Kookie was responsible for popularizing the phrase.[/nq]
[nq:1]I don't know anything about the show. Was Kookie a source of country-boy lore or something? Cooking on woodstoves is much more common in the country.[/nq]
Nope. Kookie was the archetypal 'cool cat' and was in the show to add hip credentials b
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[nq:2]Just in case anyone is puzzled: in a woodburning cookstove ... we can just turn a **** to change the heat.[/nq]
[nq:1]It never occurred to me that it might be a reference to wood or coal-burning stoves. My mother's gas cooker ... to a much higher flame - and would boil a pan of water much faster - than the back ones.[/nq]
Ah. I should have hedged. The connection between the older sto
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[nq:1]Kookie was played by Edward Byrnes.[/nq]
Edd Byrnes. (Real name Edward Byrne Breitenberger).

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More on the TV show at htt
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[nq:1]"cooking with gas"[/nq]
I believe that phrase originated as an advertising slogan by the natural gas industry. "Now you're cooking with gas!" Contemporary with "Quick, Henry! The FLIT!"

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[nq:2]"On the front burner", "on the back burner", who started ... popularizing the phrase. Was it essentially unknown before beat times?[/nq]
[nq:1]I'm not even familiar with any "on the front burner" expression, but ProQuest reveals that in 1944 "cooking on the ... the United States Army Air Force, calbes from somewhere in the Pacific, "Hello, am now cooking on the front burner"...[/nq]
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[nq:2]I'm not even familiar with any "on the front burner" ... the Pacific, "Hello, am now cooking on the front burner"...[/nq]
[nq:1]Here's what OED2 has (I'm sure OED3 will have antedatings): cook, v.1 1. b. Slang phr. ... 'The Apple'. (etc.) I don't get "cooking with radar" was that just a facetious alternative to "gas" and "electricity"?[/nq]
Keep in mind that "The Hucksters" was a bo
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[nq:1]Here's what OED2 has (I'm sure OED3 will have antedatings): 1946 F. WAKEMAN Hucksters (1947) xv. 201 Vic said, 'Good boy, Georgie. Now you're cooking with radar.' I don't get "cooking with radar" was that just a facetious alternative to "gas" and "electricity"?[/nq]
I don't know. It would be useful to get the perspective of someone who was intimate with radar at around that time someone

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