Off/off of?

[nq:1]Which is correct? The knife fell off the table? The knife fell off of the table? Lorna[/nq]
off is correct but off of has been used
for decades.
There can be a wide gap between what is
considered correct in formal written English
and formal speeches as opposed to informal
conversation.

[nq:2]Which is correct? The knife fell off the table? The knife fell off of the table? Lorna[/nq]
[nq:1]off is correct but off of has been used for decades. There can be a wide gap between what is considered correct in formal written English and formal speeches as opposed to informal conversation.[/nq]
Both 'off' and 'of' are redundant; merely tropes, offering no additional information by

[nq:2]off is correct but off of has been used for ... written English and formal speeches as opposed to informal conversation.[/nq]
[nq:1]Both 'off' and 'of' are redundant; merely tropes, offering no additional information by virtue of being included.[/nq]
If both are redundant then 'The knife fell the table' is correct?
[nq:1]The knife fell from the table.[/nq]
Nope. According to

[nq:2]Both 'off' and 'of' are redundant; merely tropes, offering no additional information by virtue of being included.[/nq]
[nq:1]If both are redundant then 'The knife fell the table' is correct?[/nq]
no
[nq:2]The knife fell from the table.[/nq]
[nq:1]Nope. According to your own reasoning 'from' would be merely a trope, 'offering no additional information by virtue of being includ

Total nonsense.
Try a web search for
[nq:1]English prepositions <[/nq]
You need to know the basics before
presuming to advise others.

[nq:2]to some degree this is a matter of emphasis, that is: is it the verb or the object of the sentence being emphasised?[/nq]
[nq:1]Total nonsense. Try a web search for[/nq]
ROFL! In place of any logic, sense or sensibility, John Ramsay, who sounds like a prison library disciplinarian, refers to a web search - that repository of all wisdom (!), completely ignoring this idea of emphasis a

More nonsense.
A nuts and bolts question is exactly
what was asked.
Which is the correct preposition?
Your pretentious maunderings about whether the noun or verb was to be emphasized and which word
'belongs' to which are nothing more than
mindless twaddle.

[nq:1]A nuts and bolts question is exactly what was asked. Which is the correct preposition? Your pretentious maunderings about whether the noun or verb was to be emphasized and which word 'belongs' to which are nothing more than mindless twaddle.[/nq]
John Ramsay infers some greater wisdom that he has but cannot demonstrate it - after 3 goes!
Is there any substantive difference in meaning

[nq:2]A nuts and bolts question is exactly what was asked. ... word 'belongs' to which are nothing more than mindless twaddle.[/nq]
[nq:1]John Ramsay infers some greater wisdom that he has but cannot demonstrate it - after 3 goes! Is there any ... let him attach them to his messages rather than strike postures, otherwise the nut will indeed have bolted. Phil Innes[/nq]
Original question: W

[nq:2]And so to nuts and bolts; if John Ramsay has ... postures, otherwise the nut will indeed have bolted. Phil Innes[/nq]
[nq:1]"Is there any substantive difference in meaning in 'fall from the table' and 'fall off the table'?" The self-contradiction is obvious but probably not to Phil Innes.[/nq]
John Ramsay doesn't recognise that one is a statement, the other a question. He also won't